[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

Because the arguments for the in campaign sound more beneficial from my POV. It really is that simple.

which 2 specifically?

[billy123]

It is always worth remembering these words from 1918 they are as relevant now as they always have been but still foolish people fall for it.





That statement rings true to this day.

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Im not happy with the rules the EU force upon us so I'm voting out but please explain how that is cutting off my nose to spite my face?

We are all entitled to make a decision and I've made my decision and I couldn't care what people think about my decision because I'm happy with it and will not change it for anybody as I'm a individual and I feel ill be better out of the EU so that's where my vote is going I don't care whether people like it or not as I'm not doing it to make anyone but myself happy.

Fantastic post!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Im not happy with the rules the EU force upon us so I'm voting out but please explain how that is cutting off my nose to spite my face?

We are all entitled to make a decision and I've made my decision and I couldn't care what people think about my decision because I'm happy with it and will not change it for anybody as I'm a individual and I feel ill be better out of the EU so that's where my vote is going I don't care whether people like it or not as I'm not doing it to make anyone but myself happy.

Because of this post.

Originally Posted by Adam.

Being British comes before being European if I wanted to be told what to do id listen to my mum

You made out that you're only voting out because someone told you to stay, thus cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The rest is just irrelevant bluster.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They came together months after the crisis started and only because Germany's ridiculous open door policy forced them to, how did Germany think the refuges were going to get to Germany, air drop? Germany as part of the EU had no right to issue an open borders policy when it affected all the countries around them without making provision for refugees to access Germany without having to trudge through other countries whose borders were closed.

You do realise that Germany can't just do this without the other EU countries leaders voting to agree with them right?

To blame the refugees thing all on Germany is incredibly unfair, and making a Boogeyman out of them when really they're just one country that helped cause that issue, if you even see it as an issue that is anyway.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You do realise that Germany can't just do this without the other EU countries leaders voting to agree with them right?

To blame the refugees thing all on Germany is incredibly unfair, and making a Boogeyman out of them when really they're just one country that helped cause that issue, if you even see it as an issue that is anyway.

Do you have a link for that Mock, because every google search I have done comes up with Germany acting alone, just as Merkel acted alone when she promptly closed Germanys borders 24 hours before the EU refugee summit. Germanys actions put other countries like the Island of Lesbos on its knees with the influx.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a60f289a-9...#axzz472ZViYbK

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Do you have a link for that Mock, because every google search I have done comes up with Germany acting alone, just as Merkel acted alone when she promptly closed Germanys borders 24 hours before the EU refugee summit. Germanys actions put other countries like the Island of Lesbos on its knees with the influx.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a60f289a-9...#axzz472ZViYbK

The decisions on what countries chose to do with regard to numbers of accepted refugees was entirely up to individual countries. Germany tried to get countries to accept more, most refused.

[Livia]

I'm voting 'out' for no other reason than I've looked at the facts and made a decision, on my own, with no one suggesting what I should think. I imagine most people - both 'in' and 'out' voters - will have done the same thing.

[the truth]

OUT please , the whole project is a disaster and has failed in every conceivable way. The idea it can be reformed is a fantasy. Get out and hopefully others will be inspired to follow us and the norwegians and swiss out of this unelected undemocratic authoritarian dictatorship that will sell us all out to corrupt corporations forever.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The decisions on what countries chose to do with regard to numbers of accepted refugees was entirely up to individual countries. Germany tried to get countries to accept more, most refused.

When did Germany take over as head of the EU, they have no right to foist their ideals on any one, the open border policy backfired massively which is why they didn't stay open long

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

When did Germany take over as head of the EU, they have no right to foist their ideals on any one, the open border policy backfired massively which is why they didn't stay open long

I think its Merkel's history and experiences from East Germany, it has coloured her thought processes with respect to accepting refugees etc.

[joeysteele]

For the UKs continued economical success which we have had in the EU being maintained and for the unity I see, and would like to see, continued too as EU Nations being together as much as is possible'
They are just 2 of many reasons I will be voting 'in'.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For the UKs continued economical success which we have had in the EU being maintained and for the unity I see, and would like to see, continued too as EU Nations being together as much as is possible'
They are just 2 of many reasons I will be voting 'in'.

the idiotic labour party allowed a net rise of 3.7 million immigration in 10 years, germany decided to use the 7 year rule to ensure immigration was slower over a longer period. the germans need immigration desperately as their population fell 2 million during the same 10 years. yet more facts ignored by the hysterical labour party...one day they will get a crayon set and try and join up the dots of their disastrous time in government.....

heres a start

sucking and covering up to nhs unions lead to complacency overpayments filth and patient abuse

exact same happene to social services and the police

sucking up to political correectness lead to 20,000 children being sexually assaulted in rotherham

sucking up to the republicans lead to illegal wars , which made the terrorist threats a zillion times worse

political correctness lead to millions more of healthy people on bebefits than should have been and encouraged the breed for benefits culture and produced a generation of millions devoid of ambition and wok ethic

womens rights superceded evetrything else, women only shortlists lead to dreadful mps getting in undemocratically

the push for womens rights on everything 24/7 pushed the disabled to the back of the queue too, disabled access for example has stalled for 20 years

this has also lead to the brakdown of the nuclear family and fathers have lost their rights

deregulated their city bankers and share brokers and the entire thing collapsed, no one was arrested

they did less than nothing for the industries and those left behind
they didnt even equip our brave soliders who had to buy kit off the yankee soldiers in the afghan deserts, what a disgrace
they had a spin doctor running the cabinet helping spout lies about weapons of mass distraction
they allowed gp doctors to opt out of working out of hours with an insane contract in 2004
they gave back our rebate to europe for nothing in return, signed an insane 70,000 word eu constitution without even reading it
they spent more hours debating fox hunting than the iraq war

the list goes on and guess what the money ran out....so labour had to pay somehow? ok so they decided they would invent 3000 new laws and infinite stealth taxes to steal the money off the working class....so council taxes rose and all time record levels over Ł2000 for houses work Ł250,000 yet the socialists marches in millions when maggie thatcher had poll tax at Ł90 a year?

they are mostly responsible for the disaster this country is in
they are an insane party

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For the UKs continued economical success which we have had in the EU being maintained and for the unity I see, and would like to see, continued too as EU Nations being together as much as is possible'
They are just 2 of many reasons I will be voting 'in'.

unity lol,.....record terrrorism, record bankruptcies, record unemployment, record debts, record pollution, record amount of rules and laws on the working people, record population levels, unity lol united in disaster

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

the idiotic labour party allowed a net rise of 3.7 million immigration in 10 years, germany decided to use the 7 year rule to ensure immigration was slower over a longer period. the germans need immigration desperately as their population fell 2 million during the same 10 years. yet more facts ignored by the hysterical labour party...one day they will get a crayon set and try and join up the dots of their disastrous time in government.....

heres a start

sucking and covering up to nhs unions lead to complacency overpayments filth and patient abuse

exact same happene to social services and the police

sucking up to political correectness lead to 20,000 children being sexually assaulted in rotherham

sucking up to the republicans lead to illegal wars , which made the terrorist threats a zillion times worse

political correctness lead to millions more of healthy people on bebefits than should have been and encouraged the breed for benefits culture and produced a generation of millions devoid of ambition and wok ethic

womens rights superceded evetrything else, women only shortlists lead to dreadful mps getting in undemocratically

the push for womens rights on everything 24/7 pushed the disabled to the back of the queue too, disabled access for example has stalled for 20 years

this has also lead to the brakdown of the nuclear family and fathers have lost their rights

deregulated their city bankers and share brokers and the entire thing collapsed, no one was arrested

they did less than nothing for the industries and those left behind
they didnt even equip our brave soliders who had to buy kit off the yankee soldiers in the afghan deserts, what a disgrace
they had a spin doctor running the cabinet helping spout lies about weapons of mass distraction
they allowed gp doctors to opt out of working out of hours with an insane contract in 2004
they gave back our rebate to europe for nothing in return, signed an insane 70,000 word eu constitution without even reading it
they spent more hours debating fox hunting than the iraq war

the list goes on and guess what the money ran out....so labour had to pay somehow? ok so they decided they would invent 3000 new laws and infinite stealth taxes to steal the money off the working class....so council taxes rose and all time record levels over Ł2000 for houses work Ł250,000 yet the socialists marches in millions when maggie thatcher had poll tax at Ł90 a year?

they are mostly responsible for the disaster this country is in
they are an insane party

We were asked by a member to tell 2 things as to why we want to stay in,
That is what some have done and that is in answer to that question to that member.

What no one needs is more disrespectful lectures from you as to why they hold the stance of voting in or as to the 2 reasons they list.
I,only me personally, think you could maybe try to stop derailing every thread and looking for someone to annoy and argue with just to dismiss all they say as nonsense anyway.
It is getting rather tedious to say the least.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

the idiotic labour party allowed a net rise of 3.7 million immigration in 10 years, germany decided to use the 7 year rule to ensure immigration was slower over a longer period. the germans need immigration desperately as their population fell 2 million during the same 10 years. yet more facts ignored by the hysterical labour party...one day they will get a crayon set and try and join up the dots of their disastrous time in government.....

heres a start

sucking and covering up to nhs unions lead to complacency overpayments filth and patient abuse

exact same happene to social services and the police

sucking up to political correectness lead to 20,000 children being sexually assaulted in rotherham

sucking up to the republicans lead to illegal wars , which made the terrorist threats a zillion times worse

political correctness lead to millions more of healthy people on bebefits than should have been and encouraged the breed for benefits culture and produced a generation of millions devoid of ambition and wok ethic

womens rights superceded evetrything else, women only shortlists lead to dreadful mps getting in undemocratically

the push for womens rights on everything 24/7 pushed the disabled to the back of the queue too, disabled access for example has stalled for 20 years

this has also lead to the brakdown of the nuclear family and fathers have lost their rights

deregulated their city bankers and share brokers and the entire thing collapsed, no one was arrested

they did less than nothing for the industries and those left behind
they didnt even equip our brave soliders who had to buy kit off the yankee soldiers in the afghan deserts, what a disgrace
they had a spin doctor running the cabinet helping spout lies about weapons of mass distraction
they allowed gp doctors to opt out of working out of hours with an insane contract in 2004
they gave back our rebate to europe for nothing in return, signed an insane 70,000 word eu constitution without even reading it
they spent more hours debating fox hunting than the iraq war

the list goes on and guess what the money ran out....so labour had to pay somehow? ok so they decided they would invent 3000 new laws and infinite stealth taxes to steal the money off the working class....so council taxes rose and all time record levels over Ł2000 for houses work Ł250,000 yet the socialists marches in millions when maggie thatcher had poll tax at Ł90 a year?

they are mostly responsible for the disaster this country is in
they are an insane party

Lol, you can always count on TheTruth's rampant hatred of women to pop up regardless of the topic.

[Scarlett.]

Typical serious debates, a thread asking people why they want to stay in the EU is overrun by pro-independence members, hounding those who believe the opposite to their opinion.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

When did Germany take over as head of the EU, they have no right to foist their ideals on any one, the open border policy backfired massively which is why they didn't stay open long

Germany does however,especially under Angela Merkel,seem to be the Country to get and have on side to win much as to the EU.
She for sure was a great help with PM David Cameron's negotiations.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because of this post.




You made out that you're only voting out because someone told you to stay, thus cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The rest is just irrelevant bluster.

Why twist it? You wanted reasons then call it irreverent bluster can you just not accept for once someone maybe just maybe want a different ending to the referendum then you?

I'm sure everyone has weighed up both sides of the arguments and we all have to pick one side but please don't come on the attack because others are voting out when you want in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Why twist it? You wanted reasons then call it irreverent bluster can you just not accept for once someone maybe just maybe want a different ending to the referendum then you?

I'm sure everyone has weighed up both sides of the arguments and we all have to pick one side but please don't come on the attack because others are voting out when you want in.

totally agree , when dezzy said irrelevant bluster that was phenomenally rude

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Lol, you can always count on TheTruth's rampant hatred of women to pop up regardless of the topic.

I know your misandry anti male hate would pick that out and I knew youd ignore the validity of that and all my many other factual points about the dreadful labour government

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I'm sure everyone has weighed up both sides of the arguments and we all have to pick one side but please don't come on the attack because others are voting out when you want in.

This is exactly how you're coming across tho

[Denver]

Originally Posted by reece(:

This is exactly how you're coming across tho

Please don't you or anyone come here and tell me why I'm voting because you know ****all about me and have no idea what I'm thinking.

I couldn't care less how I come across but if you or anyone on here think for 1 second I'll change my votes to suit you then your very very wrong a bit of respect for others opinions would not go a miss but then im asking for a lot

[Samm]

Because I wanna be able to travel around Europe without a visa

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Please don't you or anyone come here and tell me why I'm voting because you know ****all about me and have no idea what I'm thinking.

I couldn't care less how I come across but if you or anyone on here think for 1 second I'll change my votes to suit you then your very very wrong a bit of respect for others opinions would not go a miss but then im asking for a lot

You're really not that significant for me to care about where your one vote will be going, simmer down