[In the Drunk Tank]

Sorry but Diane's statement that 'it's a smear on Labour party members to say that the party has a problem with anti-semitism' contradicts the whole tough stance they are supposed to be taking on the matter. I thought they accepted that there was a problem by launching this inquiry? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they launched an inquiry into anti-semitism in student Labour organisations earlier in the year? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they suspended Naz Shah and the several others in recent months who have made flagrantly anti-semitic comments?

Apparently not, according to Diane. We're back to the sticking our fingers in our ears denial of anti-semitism in the party. It's all just one big 'smear' against the membership. Yeah, great interview.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry but Diane's statement that 'it's a smear on Labour party members to say that the party has a problem with anti-semitism' contradicts the whole tough stance they are supposed to be taking on the matter. I thought they accepted that there was a problem by launching this inquiry? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they launched an inquiry into anti-semitism in student Labour organisations earlier in the year? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they suspended Naz Shah and the several others in recent months who have made flagrantly anti-semitic comments?

Apparently not, according to Diane. We're back to the sticking our fingers in our ears denial of anti-semitism in the party. It's all just one big 'smear' against the membership. Yeah, great interview.

There were many things at UNI that I never got involved in,then I was a Conservative more than likely.
However students are often a law to themselves.

The inquiry is to 'see' if there are more than the handful that has been shown and exposed over the last few weeks of which only a few have had to be dealt with by suspension and further inquiry.

If we are going to start rounding up students for their oddball views at times then parties are going to be kept really busy.

Our own PM at present was part of and supported a movement at his UNI which called for Nelson Mandela to be hung.
If this inquiry uncovers any more that are proven to be anti-semitic then they will have to be dealt with and expelled from the party, 'if' that is there are any more hence the working of this inquiry.

However this interview of Marr this morning got me really angry because to me he inferred this was rife among the left and particularly as to Labour.perhaps he should wait like the rest of us for the inquiry to be concluded first before branding all the same.
As a labour party member I took strong offence at his line today, I felt it crossed a line in interviewing too.

Personally from my view of Labour and being a member too, I doubt this inquiry will find much in the way as genuine anti-semitism, because I do not think it is genuinely there to find really.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There were many things at UNI that I never got involved in,then I was a Conservative more than likely.
However students are often a law to themselves.

The inquiry is to 'see' if there are more than the handful that has been shown and exposed over the last few weeks of which only a few have had to be dealt with by suspension and further inquiry.

If we are going to start rounding up students for their oddball views at times then parties are going to be kept really busy.

Our own PM at present was part of and supported a movement at his UNI which called for Nelson Mandela to be hung.
If this inquiry uncovers any more that are proven to be anti-semitic then they will have to be dealt with and expelled from the party, 'if' that is there are any more hence the working of this inquiry.

However this interview of Marr this morning got me really angry because to me he inferred this was rife among the left and particularly as to Labour.perhaps he should wait like the rest of us for the inquiry to be concluded first before branding all the same.
As a labour party member I took strong offence at his line today, I felt it crossed a line in interviewing too.

Personally from my view of Labour and being a member too, I doubt this inquiry will find much in the way as genuine anti-semitism, because I do not think it is genuinely there to find really.

Marr wasn't making his comments from a place of ignorance. He has been close to MP's for many, many years. Its his job to provoke reaction and he has clearly done it. I have a lot of time for Marr, if he is ruffling feathers, there will be good reason for it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Marr wasn't making his comments from a place of ignorance. He has been close to MP's for many, many years. Its his job to provoke reaction and he has clearly done it. I have a lot of time for Marr, if he is ruffling feathers, there will be good reason for it

He's a tory stooge, that wasn't ruffling feathers that was an out and out attack, part of operation oust corbyn.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Marr wasn't making his comments from a place of ignorance. He has been close to MP's for many, many years. Its his job to provoke reaction and he has clearly done it. I have a lot of time for Marr, if he is ruffling feathers, there will be good reason for it

I used to enjoy Marr a lot,not this week and not only in talking to Labour politicians either.

I think in interviewing you have to be really balanced and careful not to group all members of a party together and more to the point make general judgements as to a whole party of members.

I felt he grouped all Labour party members together here and crossed a line,just as those saying the left, not some of the left but the whole left are making the same mistake,wile of course ignoring past racism of some of the right.

I do not believe in generalising and grouping together everyone on one side or the other when any controversy rears its head.
So for me Marr crossed a line,whether people like Diane Abbott or not,she went on the programme and for me the one thing she was right on, was to challenge him at his inference that all Labour members have a problem with antisemitism, that is a disgrace.

Oddly enough I too have Jewish friends,their MUM makes in my view the most fantastic cheese straws and while most of them do not vote Labour,even they see a problem with Livingstone and the MP Shah,not however with the whole left of Labour or indeed the whole left of politics.
The few who were going to vote Labour are still going to on Thursday as they disagree that antisemitism is a big problem in the party.

Diane fell down trying to in any way justify Livingstone's comments the way he put them,he has been around a long time, maybe too long ad should know what wording to use so no offence is caused to Jews or anyone else.
The MP as I have said, this was not a whim while a teenager, this was in 2014, the year before she was likely selected to stand as an MP.
No excuses fro her and Livingstone at all in my book,or anyone else this inquiry may root out and find have made or shared any such views.

However as in all prejudice and racism,things have to be taken in full context and not just brand anyone who disagrees with ISRAEL as being antisemitic, even many citizens of Israel are against their govts actions at times and even most of the time.

However I do now feel some of the media and parts of the Labour party are going to use this to discredit all they can Corbyn's leadership.
I still say all parties need a rooting out of any in a small part admittedly,racism or prejudice in their parties,none are whiter that white,the Conservatives party in London where a good number are dismayed at the tones in Zac Goldsmiths campaign, should have questions to answer too as to their real thinking.
UKIP too have had issues with their ranks as indeed other parties with isolated incidents have as well

Labour has acted, I agree with you this inquiry may end up being worthless but I also think that will be the case as much as because there is probably very little of substance to be found as to genuine anti-semitism in the party as anything else.

Wrong in my view to term the whole left of a party as likely being antisemitic and that as now someone more on the left than the right as to myself, was came across from Marr in his interviewing yesterday morning.
Unnecessary and unacceptable to generalise that way and he had to be pushed to make any kind of backing down on that by Diane Abbott too when she challenged him on that.

It never helps to inflame an unsavoury situation by then turning personal prejudice onto whole groups of other people as some are trying to achieve as to all on the left of politics.
They do not say 'some on the left'. they say 'the left',inferring the lot of them whoever they are,well there are as many really decent and people against any prejudice and racism on the left just as there will be on the right.

To use any tense and delicate scenario to spout that prejudice is as wrong as any other prejudice in my view anyway.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry but Diane's statement that 'it's a smear on Labour party members to say that the party has a problem with anti-semitism' contradicts the whole tough stance they are supposed to be taking on the matter. I thought they accepted that there was a problem by launching this inquiry? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they launched an inquiry into anti-semitism in student Labour organisations earlier in the year? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they suspended Naz Shah and the several others in recent months who have made flagrantly anti-semitic comments?

Apparently not, according to Diane. We're back to the sticking our fingers in our ears denial of anti-semitism in the party. It's all just one big 'smear' against the membership. Yeah, great interview.

Not a good idea to bring Diane Abbott to fight your corner.
Her head is stuck that far up her own backside she can't see daylight, never mind a point of view.
Contradicting herself once again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not a good idea to bring Diane Abbott to fight your corner.
Her head is stuck that far up her own backside she can't see daylight, never mind a point of view.
Contradicting herself once again.

Why is that then who would you have preferred, John Mann? This is all clever deflection, look at the recent comments made by Boris Johnson towards the president of the USA are they having an inquiry into that?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry but Diane's statement that 'it's a smear on Labour party members to say that the party has a problem with anti-semitism' contradicts the whole tough stance they are supposed to be taking on the matter. I thought they accepted that there was a problem by launching this inquiry? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they launched an inquiry into anti-semitism in student Labour organisations earlier in the year? I thought they accepted there was a problem when they suspended Naz Shah and the several others in recent months who have made flagrantly anti-semitic comments?

Apparently not, according to Diane. We're back to the sticking our fingers in our ears denial of anti-semitism in the party. It's all just one big 'smear' against the membership. Yeah, great interview.

Diane Abbott, the world's most disingenuous woman, demonstrating that Labour are paying lip service, and that's all.