[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by waterhog

if the government keep dictating to the doctors - it wont be long before there are no appointments. so 40 000 cancelled is nothing compared to what we could loose if we don't make a stand.

show back bone - do you really think our doctors want to hurt us - they entered into a care profession to care .


I am truly sick of this debate now - have to switch off - ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nurse - medication time - I want to go to bed.

Absolutely waterhog.
If they really do end up forcing this contract on the Junior Doctors, they are firstly likely to have Consultants up in arms, and then a good number of the Doctors they will need leaving the NHS here completely.
As in fact that process has started now anyway.

[the truth]

if we stay in the eu that means the nhs cannot recruit doctors and nurses outside the eu and also means corporations will have easier access to take over and privatise the nhs
so your arguments on europe and nhs dont make sense. you fail to see they are directly connected. you must see the bigger picture

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by waterhog

if the government keep dictating to the doctors - it wont be long before there are no appointments. so 40 000 cancelled is nothing compared to what we could loose if we don't make a stand.

show back bone - do you really think our doctors want to hurt us - they entered into a care profession to care .


I am truly sick of this debate now - have to switch off - ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nurse - medication time - I want to go to bed.

If anyone is put at risk, it's not because of the doctors striking to protect their rights and everybody's safety, it's because of the twats who pushed them in a corner.

The doctors can't afford to lose this battle. If the government win against the doctors, no NHS employee is safe, not the nurses, the midwives, the radiologists, the cleaners, the receptionists, NOBODY. The NHS and the government can't be allowed to get away with it.

Well, that's how I see it.

[waterhog]

demred - you say that with such conviction.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The Hospitals and Patients using the hospitals today and yesterday have said all was going smoothly, good cover and all seen that went there.
Consultants are not idiots,they know a fair bit about Patient care, they have been fully covering the 9 hours each day the strike has been on for each of the last 2 days.

There was never any need for problems and the 2 days of only 9 hours striking each day are now over and all are back to work.
That's facts pure and simple.

it's all going smoothly with a threadbare cover system in place, yet these greedy lazy junior Drs claim the patients will suffer under the new contracts.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

it's all going smoothly with a threadbare cover system in place, yet these greedy lazy junior Drs claim the patients will suffer under the new contracts.

It ran smoothly in a big part because of the fact the A&E area was quieter with far less people just turning up plus also a great number of non emergency follow up appointments and routine regular appointments with Consultants cancelled for the 2 days of strike periods.

If you really do believe that Doctors are lazy and greedy, you clearly with respect know not a thing about them.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It ran smoothly in a big part because of the fact the A&E area was quieter with far less people just turning up plus also a great number of non emergency follow up appointments and routine regular appointments with Consultants cancelled for the 2 days of strike periods.

If you really do believe that Doctors are lazy and greedy, you clearly with respect know not a thing about them.

can't say all are the same and are in it for the care and compassion cause that would be an assumption and a load of horlicks!



it's all about the money in this instance. drs can't get you out the surgery quick enough causing the wrong diagnosis due to tardy practice.

all these foreign drs, if it wasn't about the money would remain in their own countries to help out where they would be needed more.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It ran smoothly in a big part because of the fact the A&E area was quieter with far less people just turning up plus also a great number of non emergency follow up appointments and routine regular appointments with Consultants cancelled for the 2 days of strike periods.

If you really do believe that Doctors are lazy and greedy, you clearly with respect know not a thing about them.

joeysteele - I love you - they are in the careing profession for one thing - to get us sickos better.

take my hat off to them and to you. ( a love of my life poem is brewing joeysteeel)

[DemolitionRed]

To suggest junior doctors are being greedy either means we lack full understanding of what our government is proposing or we think everyone should just tow the party line regardless of how heinous it is

The only reason this new contract is happening is because all these ‘Trusts’ are having a tough time paying their ‘now’ private owners. As the government moves further and further away from funding the health care system, we will see bigger staff shortages, reduced salaries and more and more professional burnout. Greed is the bogeyman Hunt is using to justify what the Conservative government are trying to do and whilst some people are buying it, the majority of us have woken up to the NHS system being demoralized, defunded and destroyed.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

To suggest junior doctors are being greedy either means we lack full understanding of what our government is proposing or we think everyone should just tow the party line regardless of how heinous it is

The only reason this new contract is happening is because all these ‘Trusts’ are having a tough time paying their ‘now’ private owners. As the government moves further and further away from funding the health care system, we will see bigger staff shortages, reduced salaries and more and more professional burnout. Greed is the bogeyman Hunt is using to justify what the Conservative government are trying to do and whilst some people are buying it, the majority of us have woken up to the NHS system being demoralized, defunded and destroyed.

our NHS is the envy of the world - proud to have it and so proud of everyone who contributes to it. you are all fantastic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

To suggest junior doctors are being greedy either means we lack full understanding of what our government is proposing or we think everyone should just tow the party line regardless of how heinous it is

The only reason this new contract is happening is because all these ‘Trusts’ are having a tough time paying their ‘now’ private owners. As the government moves further and further away from funding the health care system, we will see bigger staff shortages, reduced salaries and more and more professional burnout. Greed is the bogeyman Hunt is using to justify what the Conservative government are trying to do and whilst some people are buying it, the majority of us have woken up to the NHS system being demoralized, defunded and destroyed.

[DemolitionRed]

We went out with some friends last night and one of them, a doctor, said... "I'm not a gynaecologist but I know what a ***** looks like".

How is the 7 day NHS system going to be funded?

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