[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The conservatives are finishing the NHS, by sending foreign born nurses back whilst driving jlr drs abroad too, who will man the NHS then? Paving the way for privatisation as they continue to suggest it's a failing system, it is because it's on the same as Liverpool 'managed decline'.

lol again you are 100% wrong, THE EU limits how many nurses and doctors we are allowed to recruit outside the EU. This is a bigotted , racist EU policy. this cartel in brussells has destroyed our legal ability to recruit medical staff

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are spot on and sadly wasting your time too Kizzy as I was yesterday evening on here.

It seems those against this strike seems to know how to care for Patients,treat them and save their lives better than the Junior Doctors do,unbelievable.
This strike has the support,unusually,of even the Consultants who feel this is a very bad contract for their Junior Doctor staff.

Hence why they covered the emergency issues as to Hospitals yesterday and today.

Lets hope those who can only criticise and get at the Doctors never need them, if most of them are still there in Hospitals in the future, after this contract gets 'forced' on them all.

I am appalled at some of the views on here as to the Doctors striking
Thankfully yesterday standing with them myself outside a hospital, those against were a very small minority indeed and gave encouragement to the Junior Doctors in this just fight against this shocking and badly planned contract.

she is 100% wrong, the majority of junior doctors DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS AT ALL...

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by the truth

she is 100% wrong, the majority of junior doctors DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS AT ALL...

Every article I have read state that junior doctors already work weekends, in fact they make the bulk of staffing levels.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Every article I have read state that junior doctors already work weekends, in fact they make the bulk of staffing levels.

only a minority work weekends, the majority do not. 90% of gp's do not work weekend. that is the main problem but labour ignore that problem because that insane 2004 gp contract was the work of the disastrous labour government

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

she is 100% wrong, the majority of junior doctors DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS AT ALL...

No, you are totally wrong,Kizzy is right My Cousin for one has worked many weekends at times as did my other Cousin too before he quit the NHS here and moved to Australia.
They naturally will take turns to do so at present.
Then they would also have to, in this new contract with the same number of Junior Doctors,will have to increase numbers working at weekends at weekends and yet still at the same time do the same cover as to time and care during the week too.

Furthermore you know you are wrong since you and others stated Junior Doctors are really mad at losing the Saturday unsocial hours pay they currently get for working Saturdays.
So clearly they do work weekends when required to.

You are actually more likely not to see a Consultant at all at weekends,hence why just about all follow ups with Consultants are never done on weekends,only very rarely and very few at best.

Furthermore,I collected a lady from Hospital 3 weeks ago on a Saturday and was there 1 hour waiting with her while one of the Junior Doctors on duty did the discharge and instructed what medications she needed to come home with.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, you are totally wrong,Kizzy is right My Cousin for one has worked many weekends at times as did my other Cousin too before he quit the NHS here and moved to Australia.
They naturally will take turns to do so at present.
Then they would also have to, in this new contract with the same number of Junior Doctors,will have to increase numbers working at weekends at weekends and yet still at the same time do the same cover as to time and care during the week too.

Furthermore you know you are wrong since you and others stated Junior Doctors are really mad at losing the Saturday unsocial hours pay they currently get for working Saturdays.
So clearly they do work weekends when required to.

You are actually more likely not to see a Consultant at all at weekends,hence why just about all follow ups with Consultants are never done on weekends,only very rarely and very few at best.

Furthermore,I collected a lady from Hospital 3 weeks ago on a Saturday and was there 1 hour waiting with her while one of the Junior Doctors on duty did the discharge and instructed what medications she needed to come home with.

You are wrong and most of that is irrelevant. the majority of junior doctors DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS. 90% OF GPS DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS. Ive repeated this to you umpteen times and you still cant understand these basic facts

[the truth]

THE BMA should be renamed as the doctors union as that is really all it is.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

You are wrong and most of that is irrelevant. the majority of junior doctors DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS. 90% OF GPS DO NOT WORK WEEKENDS. Ive repeated this to you umpteen times and you still cant understand these basic facts

Oh for goodness sake grow up and treat people with respect,you list no facts
just bile against the NHS as you have for years now.

You are wrong with the fullest respect.
If they don't work weekends, and many do work weekends, why should they be bothered in the slightest if Saturday is just another day and not classed as unsocial time worked.

Your facts make not the slightest sense and I'm done even trying to talk to someone as rude and disrespectful as you.
What on earth have GPs to do with this, they are not striking or Junior Doctors working in hospitals and threatened with this contract being forced on them.

Furthermore, I don't take kindly to being shouted at, when you post in capitals that is what you are doing.
Talk to people in a more respectful manner,you are posting on a forum with rules on behaviour when doing so.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh for goodness sake grow up and treat people with respect,you list no facts
just bile against the NHS as you have for years now.

You are wrong with the fullest respect.
If they don't work weekends, and many do work weekends, why should they be bothered in the slightest if Saturday is just another day and not classed as unsocial time worked.

Your facts make not the slightest sense and I'm done even trying to talk to someone as rude and disrespectful as you.
What on earth have GPs to do with this, they are not striking or Junior Doctors working in hospitals and threatened with this contract being forced on them.

Furthermore, I don't take kindly to being shouted at, when you post in capitals that is what you are doing.
Talk to people in a more respectful manner,you are posting on a forum with rules on behaviour when doing so.

Everything Ive said is 100% accurate. Typical youd point to the odd capital letter as more important that discussing the fact 90% of gps do not work out of hours and that affects millions of people very badly and the fact that the majority of junior doctors do not work weekends. those are facts. deal with it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Everything Ive said is 100% accurate. Typical youd point to the odd capital letter as more important that discussing the fact 90% of gps do not work out of hours and that affects millions of people very badly and the fact that the majority of junior doctors do not work weekends. those are facts. deal with it.

Wrong wrong wrong all through.
Also far from the odd capital letter there are around 38 in your short post earlier, that is hardly the odd capital letter.
That is shouting, disrespectful and I think against the rules too.

Again,GPs are 'not' the issue on this thread it is about Junior Doctors striking and the new contract.
Stop derailing near every every thread, why do you have to be so disruptive,what on earth is the matter with you for goodness sake.
Just don't respond to me again as I have had all I will take from you.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wrong wrong wrong all through.
Also far from the odd capital letter there are around 38 in your short post earlier, that is hardly the odd capital letter.
That is shouting, disrespectful and I think against the rules too.

Again,GPs are 'not' the issue on this thread it is about Junior Doctors striking and the new contract.
Stop derailing near every every thread, why do you have to be so disruptive,what on earth is the matter with you for goodness sake.
Just don't respond to me again as I have had all I will take from you.

It is 100% relevant. How can you not even see the fact the gps do not work out of hours or weekends doesnt put more pressure on hospital doctors? deary me cant you see the bigger picture ot just a tiny part of it? I am here to fight for the truth and for whats best for the patients, labour allowing 90% of gps out of working any out of hours was a disgrace and has masisvely hurt patients and hospital staff.

I am 100% right on this and you are 100% wrong.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

It is 100% relevant. How can you not even see the fact the gps do not work out of hours or weekends doesnt put more pressure on hospital doctors? deary me cant you see the bigger picture ot just a tiny part of it? I am here to fight for the truth and for whats best for the patients, labour allowing 90% of gps out of working any out of hours was a disgrace and has masisvely hurt patients and hospital staff.

I am 100% right on this and you are 100% wrong.

I disagree.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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I disagree.

Go on then prove it? You cant. I provide facts and figures and links and relevant and related quotes and articles, proving I am 100% right and you are 100% wrong, you provide nothing

I sincerely hope if God forbid an innocent patients dies because of these junior doctors refusing to turn up to work in accident and emergency that the junior doctors who refused to turn up is charged with manslaughter by the grieving familiy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Go on then prove it? You cant. I provide facts and figures and links and relevant and related quotes and articles, proving I am 100% right and you are 100% wrong, you provide nothing

I sincerely hope if God forbid an innocent patients dies because of these junior doctors refusing to turn up to work in accident and emergency that the junior doctors who refused to turn up is charged with manslaughter by the grieving familiy.

The Hospitals and Patients using the hospitals today and yesterday have said all was going smoothly, good cover and all seen that went there.
Consultants are not idiots,they know a fair bit about Patient care, they have been fully covering the 9 hours each day the strike has been on for each of the last 2 days.

There was never any need for problems and the 2 days of only 9 hours striking each day are now over and all are back to work.
That's facts pure and simple.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The Hospitals and Patients using the hospitals today and yesterday have said all was going smoothly, good cover and all seen that went there.
Consultants are not idiots,they know a fair bit about Patient care, they have been fully covering the 9 hours each day the strike has been on for each of the last 2 days.

There was never any need for problems and the 2 days of only 9 hours striking each day are now over and all are back to work.
That's facts pure and simple.

No one called them idiots? another straw man statement. Id rather hear from the poor long suffering patients, it will be interesting the real truth that comes out in the next few weeks about sick people that junior doctors refused to treat. Lets hope none of them died because of this mass cruel immoral unjustifiable disgusting negligence

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

No one called them idiots? another straw man statement. Id rather hear from the poor long suffering patients, it will be interesting the real truth that comes out in the next few weeks about sick people that junior doctors refused to treat. Lets hope none of them died because of this mass cruel immoral unjustifiable disgusting negligence

No one said you did call them idiots,where did I say you did,more fantasy, I was the one who said they were not idiots.

The Junior Doctors have not refused to treat anyone, they handed over their duties to their bosses the Consultants, it would be the Consultants who refused to treat anyone if they had ever turned anyone away.

The Junior Doctors have not seen anyone to refuse to treat them, you again over sensationalising the issue really doesn't help really.
Anyone with any real emergency would have still been see these last 2 days by the Consultants.

No emergencies would have been turned away at all anyway, again not a problem, nor should there be with Consultants on hand all the time

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No one said you did call them idiots,where did I say you did,more fantasy, I was the one who said they were not idiots.

The Junior Doctors have not refused to treat anyone, they handed over their duties to their bosses the Consultants, it would be the Consultants who refused to treat anyone if they had ever turned anyone away.

The Junior Doctors have not seen anyone to refuse to treat them, you again over sensationalising the issue really doesn't help really.
Anyone with any real emergency would have still been see these last 2 days by the Consultants.

No emergencies would have been turned away at all anyway, again not a problem, nor should there be with Consultants on hand all the time

didnt refuse ? lol they refused to work? its the same thing., if innocent people die because of this mas walk out by junior doctors and neglect of patients, how would you feel about that?

[Kizzy]

The cover is consultants so I'd say people were adequately taken care of.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

didnt refuse ? lol they refused to work? its the same thing., if innocent people die because of this mas walk out by junior doctors and neglect of patients, how would you feel about that?

No one has died,the strike is over and no one has died in the strikes before this one too and no emergency has been neglected even, so what on earth are you rambling on about.

No one has died,you are arguing utter tripe and I'm sorry to even have to say that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No one has died,the strike is over and no one has died in the strikes before this one too and no emergency has been neglected even, so what on earth are you rambling on about.

No one has died,you are arguing utter tripe and I'm sorry to even have to say that.

Youre getting pretty abusive and pretty dishonest we wont know exactly how many people have suffered or gotten worse or even died for a few days yet, we need to evaluate exactly how much damage this immoral strike has inflicted upon sick patients

[the truth]

patient groups have warned the accumulation of postponed treatments - nearly 40,000 operations have now been delayed during the whole dispute - is taking its toll and causing harm. Alongside routine treatments, there have been reports of cancer patients facing delays.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The cover is consultants so I'd say people were adequately taken care of.

They were indeed and all emergency situations have been dealt with as you say adequately.

Now the put off cases that could wait for over 2 days and more will be dealt with too,none that were in any way current emergencies,

Routine appointments get altered many times even when there are no strikes or disputes going on anyway.

[the truth]

40,000 cancelled operations what an absolute disgrace

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by the truth

40,000 cancelled operations what an absolute disgrace

if the government keep dictating to the doctors - it wont be long before there are no appointments. so 40 000 cancelled is nothing compared to what we could loose if we don't make a stand.

show back bone - do you really think our doctors want to hurt us - they entered into a care profession to care .


I am truly sick of this debate now - have to switch off - ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nurse - medication time - I want to go to bed.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by waterhog

if the government keep dictating to the doctors - it wont be long before there are no appointments. so 40 000 cancelled is nothing compared to what we could loose if we don't make a stand.

show back bone - do you really think our doctors want to hurt us - they entered into a care profession to care .


I am truly sick of this debate now - have to switch off - ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nurse - medication time - I want to go to bed.

Its the wrong backbone. the labour party need to fight to overturn their own insane gp contract in 2004 that allowed 90% of gp's to NOT work at all out of hours. This is a massive part of the problem we now have. to fill that 90% is impossible , labour tried the absurd nhs hotline which was a failure and they pushed junior doctors to 91 hours a week maximum. the tories at least reduce that maximum to 72 hours. patients deserve a decent nhs over weekends and scans that can save lives. deaths increase by 10% on saturday and 15% more on sundays, thats a fact regardless how much people hate hunt. labour are as usuall missing the bigger picture, they are so blinded by tory hate and the politics of envy. they must fight to destroy that 2004 contract. ps 40,000 is a vast amount of operations and a hell of a lot of innocent peoples lives ruined by the immoral disgraceful antics of junior doctors who are ill advised and deeply immoral