[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I hate it when people say they want BBUK to adopt the US/Can format. Then it's not BBUK. You already have two international BB's that follow that format, so just watch them. BBUK doesn't need to adopt the US/Can format to be good. The UK format is capable of producing a good series (like BB5-7 or more recently BB13-14) it just needs better casting and a decent production team (mainly the latter). The last two series didn't have that hence why they were so awful.

And I hate it when people insist they don't want to adopt the US format when they've never even seen an episode of it (this isn't directed at you, just in general). What we have now isn't BBUK, it's so far removed it's laughable. And more to the point - the UK format sucks compared to the US and Canada one. Why would I just want it to continue just because 'that's BBUK' when the other is more interesting? Essential housemates being evicted by the clueless public and people making it far/winners being crowned cause they're attractive dull men OR letting the housemates get on with it themselves and actually have to earn their place in the house and succeed on merit and not just through virtue of never speaking a word and being a man? Yeah, I know what I'd prefer.

Originally Posted by TomC

I genuinely think the US format is more interesting though and works better, hence why I want to see British people doing it.

Makes me so happy to see newcomers to BBUS and BBCan think this way, reminds me of what happened to me. Welcome to the club

[Pete.]

I don't see the point in having 3 BBUSA formats especially when BBUSA and BBUK run alongside each other

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pete.

I don't see the point in having 3 BBUSA formats especially when BBUSA and BBUK run alongside each other

Because the UK format sucks in comparison

Why would I want BBUK to continue having a format where the clueless public ruin series with their atrocious eviction patterns and allow people to go far into the series through nothing other than never speaking a word and being lucky enough to be a man? Why that when we could have a format that still incites drama (which the producers are always after), is based on one's own effort and merit and is actually more true to the 'social experiment' line people like to peddle? It's a no brainer.

[Denver]

If the public are going to watch the show why shouldn't they have a say?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Adam.

If the public are going to watch the show why shouldn't they have a say?

The Apprentice and Bake Off are just two formats that the public no say in and they're some of the most successful shows on TV

Watching a TV show doesn't give you the right to be involved, nor should it. Especially when that say is historically proven to be tragic. The public have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and should be kept as far away from control over who's evicted as possible.

[Oliver_W]

Would Ikea pay in sponsorship the amount BB would lose if they dropped the public votes? Perched for HMs saying how much they love their new lamp from Ikea.

Maybe it could be like the BBCan format, but with the public voting out the HMs?

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah because a format of face to face nominations -> every housemate with one nom goes up -> public actually votes for those with no noms -> tag nominations -> one person nominates three people -> face to face nominations -> nominees open a glittery envelope to see who's evicted -> DR noms but then they're shown to the house -> evicted housemate moves into a Bedsit type room etc etc etc isn't dumb at all

Haha blimey, BB16 had almost no "normal nominations"!

[Babayaro.]

Tbf Jack, I haven't watched BBUS/BBCAN but I still know enough about the format in order to form an opinion on it. Yeah, it probably does work well but I still wouldn't want to see it make an appearance over here, as most of the public probably wouldn't understand it and eventually grow tired of it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Would Ikea pay in sponsorship the amount BB would lose if they dropped the public votes? Perched for HMs saying how much they love their new lamp from Ikea.

Maybe it could be like the BBCan format, but with the public voting out the HMs?

I actually doubt they're making much money at all on voting revenue these days.

As for the bit in bold - again though, what is the point in that? You'd just be wasting a week playing comps and introducing a strategy-based format only to then leave the crucial part - the eviction - up to the popularity-based (or rather, who's said nothing and is an attractive man) public vote. It renders the entire week pointless, no HoH would achieve anything.

You may as well just stick with whatever messy format we have now if you're still going to give the public control over who's evicted.

[Pete.]

That's how they play it in Brazil

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Tbf Jack, I haven't watched BBUS/BBCAN but I still know enough about the format in order to form an opinion on it. Yeah, it probably does work well but I still wouldn't want to see it make an appearance over here, as most of the public probably wouldn't understand it and eventually grow tired of it.

With respect though, I don't think you can form enough of a well-rounded opinion on it if you haven't seen a fair bit of the show. It'd be like me saying I hate Orange Is The New Black without ever having seen an episode.

I hated the US format and judged it unfairly like many others for years without never having seen it, then I watched the first BBCan and fell in love with it instantly. And I disagree that the public wouldn't understand it, it's not all that complicated when you get used to it - and I'd argue that whatever messy crap we have now is far more complicated and convoluted

BBUK is on its last legs, what's wrong with giving something totally new a trial run?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pete.

That's how they play it in Brazil

And it sounds stupid. You can't introduce a strategy-based format but then let a popularity vote control who leaves, the entire week becomes pointless.

You could have the public save a nominee before the house vote, that would actually introduce a new dynamic to the game, but to waste time doing a week's worth of competitions and strategy talk only to then hand the eviction over to the public still? What are you gaining?

[Babayaro.]

Also, wouldn't the producers have to cast differently? Like much differently, seeing as they love messy, controversial housemates to bring in the ratings (which doesn't happen)

I can't see them doing that lol

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The Apprentice and Bake Off are just two formats that the public no say in and they're some of the most successful shows on TV

Watching a TV show doesn't give you the right to be involved, nor should it. Especially when that say is historically proven to be tragic. The public have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and should be kept as far away from control over who's evicted as possible.

The public can't really vote on whose cake tastes the best or who is capable of running a business can they?

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

If the public are going to watch the show why shouldn't they have a say?

That's like the producers of Eastenders saying "we're sticking a poll up on the website! Peggy's just got the chop, but who dies next? It's all down to you!"

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Also, wouldn't the producers have to cast differently? Like much differently, seeing as they love messy, controversial housemates to bring in the ratings (which doesn't happen)

I can't see them doing that lol

I don't think so no, I mean sure you could cast more game-focused housemates who will stop at nothing to win, but you could still cast the usual personality led housemates and I don't think it'd be a problem, in fact it would probably make things more interesting and messy because a bunch of people with no idea how to play this format trying to make things work would be hilarious

[LukeB]

The uk format these days is dusty and crap so i'll be here for a change of format, one because it be more interesting and the public doesn't make stupid choices by evicting the bigger characters and two it would make me audition.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The public can't really vote on whose cake tastes the best or who is capable of running a business can they?

And the public can't really vote on who and who isn't beneficial to a Big Brother series, as proven time and time again

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

That's like the producers of Eastenders saying "we're sticking a poll up on the website! Peggy's just got the chop, but who dies next? It's all down to you!"

I'd start watching Eastenders if this happened tbh

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Jake.

That's like the producers of Eastenders saying "we're sticking a poll up on the website! Peggy's just got the chop, but who dies next? It's all down to you!"

2 total different type of shows.

Would people still watch the X Factor, BGT or SCD if they took away the public vote? Why they are there they may aswell only give the juries the option to vote on Eurovision

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And the public can't really vote on who and who isn't beneficial to a Big Brother series, as proven time and time again

Well yes they can as they sit watching them every night for 3 months and each different person has a different idea on who they want to win so if you don't like it then it isn't the show for you

[TomC]

delete

[Babayaro.]

For once I kind of agree with Adam

Not my downfall

[TomC]

I didn't actually like the format when I'd not seen BBCAN, but actually the format makes for absolutely compelling viewing IMO.

And I would rather take a BBUS-style BBUK than BBUK in it's current state. And tbh, I don't think they'll ever strip it back to basic noms every week under the current format, so I'll welcome a format change.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Adam.

2 total different type of shows.

Would people still watch the X Factor, BGT or SCD if they took away the public vote? Why they are there they may aswell only give the juries the option to vote on Eurovision

You just said we can't judge people's cakes, yet we are in a good position to judge Hindu monk-yodelling on BGT and the Paso Doble on SCD?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Adam.

2 total different type of shows.

Would people still watch the X Factor, BGT or SCD if they took away the public vote? Why they are there they may aswell only give the juries the option to vote on Eurovision

The first Popstars had no public vote and was extremely successful and actually led the charge for the multitude of talent shows we have today.

Being able to vote on a TV show is not a God-given right, it's just something a few shows in the UK choose to do. Doesn't always happen in the US and it doesn't mean it has to happen here either.

The quicker the clueless public are away from this show, the better.

Originally Posted by Adam.

Well yes they can as they sit watching them every night for 3 months and each different person has a different idea on who they want to win so if you don't like it then it isn't the show for you

Yes and their 'different idea' is usually 'oh isn't he fit, she's such an ugly slag she can go!!!' it's entirely unfounded and ruins series after series and then rather ironically the same people have the audacity to complain that the show has become 'boring'