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Old 12-05-2016, 10:02 PM #26
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Not necessarily, though, because there's nothing else you could describe it as. The vibrations that would be created are "sound waves", there's nothing else to call them. Sound waves are sound waves, in the same way that radio waves are radio waves, micro waves are micro waves, etc.

We can't perceive most of the wavelength spectrum at all (without electronic help) but each wave still is what it is. I don't see why that wouldn't apply to sound.
Because sound is a construct particular to our perception. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no human there, an insect wouldn't perceive it as sound because it has no idea of sound. It would perceive the physicality of the wave tho.
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Because sound is a construct particular to our perception. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no human there, an insect wouldn't perceive it as sound because it has no idea of sound. It would perceive the physicality of the wave tho.
I'm not convinced, it's still a sound wave. An insect would also experience the physicality of a microwave (... Lol...) but in a very different way... The terms are really only to distinguish one from the other in our linguist understanding... So really the debate is about language, specifically descriptive language, full stop - rather than about perception.

An insect also has no concept of being an insect, for example.
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I hate to think how much cash has been wasted when i could have planted a microphone in a forrest for ten quid and some travel expenses.
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If you fart and no-one is around to hear it, did you still fart?
But you're there to hear it, it's your fart.
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Not enough information to make a decision. If there are birds, squirells, or deer or other wildlife around then it definitely made a sound as they all have ears. The person who first posed that question only says there is no one, meaning no people, around.
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Not enough information to make a decision. If there are birds, squirells, or deer or other wildlife around then it definitely made a sound as they all have ears. The person who first posed that question only says there is no one, meaning no people, around.
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and no human or animal or insect ear is there to hear it does it make any noise?
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Marsh, then the answer is no.
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this thread is http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...3B&FORM=VRDGAR
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Reminds me of that thing, "if you attempt to fail and succeed in doing so, did you fail or succeed"

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However let's not get into that as well
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Reminds me of that thing, "if you attempt to fail and succeed in doing so, did you fail or succeed"
easy. you succeed.
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Yes lets Ashley, I like that one
It's like 'be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.' I'm a firm believer in ill will and positive thought, if you put something out there in the universe it's like placing an order on cosmic amazon... your package is on the way


The forest scenario.
I'd say it's a metaphor, even if you don't hear/see something, there may be repercussions?
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easy. you succeed.
But if what you were attempting to do was fail, then by succeeding you've failed... oh but that would that would mean you've succeeded... which would mean you've failed... my head hurts

The tree still makes a sound though. If you put a tape recorder there and then check it for sound, it will be there
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The forest scenario.
I'd say it's a metaphor, even if you don't hear/see something, there may be repercussions?
I quite like that actually, Kizzy!

Or alternatively, things can't hurt you if you choose to ignore them?
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I quite like that actually, Kizzy!

Or alternatively, things can't hurt you if you choose to ignore them?
That's called repression and trust me that hurts
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That's called repression and trust me that hurts
Hm, no I don't think I would go that far. Simply, life is better for everyone if you don't let things bother you (such as a tree falling in the woods )
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Yes, if it was small then I'd say ignore it and move on... but a tree? A tree is big and needs addressing.

Address your trees people!
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people with tinnitus hear high pitched sound with no compression waves or frequency
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people with tinnitus hear high pitched sound with no compression waves or frequency
Pitch or sound?
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Pitch or sound?
i think they hear a ringing noise but i have heard others describe it as a high pitched noise. Obviously its not a sound as such
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i think they hear a ringing noise but i have heard others describe it as a high pitched noise. Obviously its not a sound as such
As a sufferer, for me its like white noise with an element of ringing in it.
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