[Jason.]

IA with the Power HM thing being dull too. I remember the only talking point of Week 2 during BB15 being 'Who's the PHM?' and people speclating on who it was and trying to suss out Chris. It was beyond tedious.

[Pete.]

The person shouting over the fence it was Chris

I didn't know anyone had the effort in them to do that anymore

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, but I'm highlighting what happens when the UK show adopts more gameplay elements, it tends to overtake everything. And considering that we get a lot less footage from the house nowadays it really spoils a series when only one thing (like the power housemate) is constantly focussed on and discussed.

Personally I think the first two weeks of BB13 were the best of the series for that very reason, but again it doesn't HAVE to be like this. The thought of British people playing the US game is hilarious to me in the first place, they won't have a clue what they're doing and it'll be people being nominated for personal reasons all over the place - so business as usual.

I also think if they adopt this format that live feed is a must, you cannot understand the dynamics of the game without it. And if we get live feed, you inevitably get normal conversations.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...um, no, because as I've stated several times now, at least people under the US format succeed on merit and their own doing, rather than just because they're a man, attractive or have never spoken in the series - or a combination of these three.

At least the winners of BBUS and Canada, or those who make it far, do so deservedly and with some kind of effort. I can stomach my favourites losing/winning that way much more than I can with the piss easy, laughable requirements it takes to do well in BBUK, because it's their own fault either way.

So the point still stands!

Effort? Voting each other off.

I don't really see any format of Big Brother being the kind of show that "rewards on merit".

But then I've never been one to care about who wins since it has no effect on whether I enjoyed the stories/unfolding of the series.

[Jason.]

I doubt we'll get live feed even if they do adopt the BBUS format. Like they've been without it for 5 years now and that's with their own format

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Personally I think the first two weeks of BB13 were the best of the series for that very reason, but again it doesn't HAVE to be like this. The thought of British people playing the US game is hilarious to me in the first place, they won't have a clue what they're doing and it'll be people being nominated for personal reasons all over the place - so business as usual.

I also think if they adopt this format that live feed is a must, you cannot understand the dynamics of the game without it. And if we get live feed, you inevitably get normal conversations.

Of course they won't know what to do, because that's not the "Big Brother" they have become accustomed to.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Effort? Voting each other off.

I don't really see any format of Big Brother being the kind of show that "rewards on merit".

But then I've never been one to care about who wins since it has no effect on whether I enjoyed the stories/unfolding of the series.

There's a hell of a lot of effort involved in winning BBUS or Canada. It's a social game, you have to have good enough bonds with people that they don't nominate you, don't see you as a threat, will vote to keep you if you're on the block, will vote for you to win so long as you manage them right upon their eviction. There's the competition element of winning endurance, physical and memory challenges to gain power that all require skill and studying, and then there's the strategy side which requires you to know who to target and at what point, in order to position yourself well.

It's not easy in the slightest and is so far removed from BBUK's requirements to succeed which is 'have a penis, be attractive and never speak a word all series and you'll make the final and maybe win' it's laughable, I mean how counter productive is that?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course they won't know what to do, because that's not the "Big Brother" they have become accustomed to.

And that's precisely why they should adopt the format! Housemates should not know what to expect, they should be thrown in at the deep end and told to get on with it, that's far better TV

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a hell of a lot of effort involved in winning BBUS or Canada. It's a social game, you have to have good enough bonds with people that they don't nominate you, don't see you as a threat, will vote to keep you if you're on the block, will vote for you to win so long as you manage them right upon their eviction. There's the competition element of winning endurance, physical and memory challenges to gain power that all require skill and studying, and then there's the strategy side which requires you to know who to target and at what point, in order to position yourself well.

It's not easy in the slightest and is so far removed from BBUK's requirements to succeed which is 'have a penis, be attractive and never speak a word all series and you'll make the final and maybe win' it's laughable, I mean how counter productive is that?

But BBUK isn't a gameshow in the same way BBUS is though.
That's why they're so different.

I watch to see all of their interactions, house dynamics. I couldn't care less about the prize fund/winner etc.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And that's precisely why they should adopt the format! Housemates should not know what to expect, they should be thrown in at the deep end and told to get on with it, that's far better TV

Or maybe do something original?

Should BBUS adopt the UK format considering they've been going about 18 years too?

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a hell of a lot of effort involved in winning BBUS or Canada. It's a social game, you have to have good enough bonds with people that they don't nominate you, don't see you as a threat, will vote to keep you if you're on the block, will vote for you to win so long as you manage them right upon their eviction. There's the competition element of winning endurance, physical and memory challenges to gain power that all require skill and studying, and then there's the strategy side which requires you to know who to target and at what point, in order to position yourself well.

It's not easy in the slightest and is so far removed from BBUK's requirements to succeed which is 'have a penis, be attractive and never speak a word all series and you'll make the final and maybe win' it's laughable, I mean how counter productive is that?

It's not tbf, but your winning mantra pretty much consists of whoever the 'loudest' one in the room on the night is the most deserving, regardless of anything else. Probably why you're so against the public vote and the BBUK format as a whole?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh but it absolutely is their fault. Channel 5's obsession with CBB has been evident from the very start and it's well documented that they didn't even want the civilian series in the first place. They launched with CBB, they throw all of the money and promotion at CBB, there's now two CBB's a year while the civilian series is losing weeks, civilians get VTE while their precision celebs are protected with VTS, the list goes on.

Their infatuation with CBB is completely transparent and everything they do and have done is all deliberate, in an attempt to make people prefer that version and sadly people have fallen for all of this. I remember when they took on the show that the warning signs were clear and that I'd hope people would still support the original version of the show but it isn't happening, it makes me so sad when I see people say that they prefer CBB now because it means what they've been doing has worked on them, they've fallen for it and it's desperately sad that fans have just tacitly allowed them to do this.

They've been driving the civilian series into the ground for years all so that they eventually have an excuse to axe it, the only hope now is that they seem to be pumping loads of money into a house extension - but time will tell.

I don't agree with the points you've made. How exactly have C5 attempted to put people off normal BB in favour of CBB when as the ratings proof, that's been the case since it was still on C4? It's rather strange outlook to think they'd purposely sabotage one of their own shows that runs for 10 weeks. In my opinion all C5 have done is capitalise on the fact there was still more life left in CBB when they took the show on which is why I said you can't really blame them for it because it's paid off well.

[bots]

in order for a US style system to work in the UK and for them to retain their audience, they would need to fill the house with interesting characters rather than fame hungry wannabees, and that's never going to happen

[Babayaro.]

Jesus christ that was a waste of 10 minutes reading through this thread

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But BBUK isn't a gameshow in the same way BBUS is though.
That's why they're so different.

I watch to see all of their interactions, house dynamics. I couldn't care less about the prize fund/winner etc.

Well technically it is a gameshow, it has a cash prize at the end of it...it's just not as clear cut a game-format and people are chastised if they 'play the game' which is so unbelievably dumb.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Or maybe do something original?

Should BBUS adopt the UK format considering they've been going about 18 years too?

BBUS began its first season with public voting, it failed and so they looked to Survivor's success and changed the format accordingly. The world owes a lot to Richard Hatch

Originally Posted by Jason.

It's not tbf, but your winning mantra pretty much consists of whoever the 'loudest' one in the room on the night is the most deserving, regardless of anything else. Probably why you're so against the public vote and the BBUK format as a whole?

Unsurprisingly that's another deliberate misrepresentation and exaggeration of how I choose to support people by someone on this forum, but it figures.

It is true, the stats speak for themselves. Liam, JJ, Andrew, Mario, Dave, Alex, Sam, Pav, Chris, Ash and Cristian all made the final or won through either never speaking a word, being a man or being attractive - to varying degrees. It's the easiest road to success on pretty much any reality show in existence, if I was cast as a housemate all I'd have to do is just get on with everyone, never say anything or make any waves and I'd probably make the final not only is that laughable, it's also counter productive, you are encouraging people to do nothing. At least in Canada and the US people have earned their place

Oh it's definitely a part of the reason, I've always made that abundantly clear. The public are clueless and ruin series after series with their sexist, idiotic voting patterns. The show would be a lot better off without their involvement, perhaps if they weren't so bad it would be different but they aren't. It's not THE only reason though, I just think the US format is fairer, purer and more interesting

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Given that Helen won nearly two years ago though

But that rarely happens. She was an exception.

Craig, Brian, Kate, (not much Cameron but meh), sometimes Nadia and Anthony (most tolerable out of that group), Pete, Brian, Rachel, Sophie, Josie (well don't know about this one), Aaron, Luke A, Sam and Chloe were all kind of nice people. Some may have had their moments, but they were not nasty.

Whereas sneakiness, slyness, ruthlessness and nastiness are welcomed to BBUSA.

Had BB13 stayed "gameplay" Conor would have won because even after that aspect ended, he continuously hinted to the Insiders to nominate the Outsiders, and then within the Insiders, he was actually liked by all, who would have voted him as winner.

There is no way the Luke A/Deana/Adam group would have survived because there were more of the Insiders at the start.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well technically it is a gameshow, it has a cash prize at the end of it...it's just not as clear cut a game-format and people are chastised if they 'play the game' which is so unbelievably dumb.

Yes, it has a cash prize. But it's not really about "the game" is it?

It's more us simply watching a group of people laugh, argue and whatever else and then one person gets a bit of money in the last 10 minutes. It's never (apart from isolated moments like the starts of 13 and 15) been about the game.

[*mazedsalv**]

And Power HM i BB15 was tragic.

BBUK don't know how to handle that sort of stuff, hence why they had the public choose a HM to be safe that week, we chose Ashleigh, and then BB decided "naa **** that, put her up".

So even if it is like BBUSA, BB would intervene and make up twists to reverse people's choices.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

But that rarely happens. She was an exception.

Craig, Brian, Kate, (not much Cameron but meh), sometimes Nadia and Anthony (most tolerable out of that group), Pete, Brian, Rachel, Sophie, Josie (well don't know about this one), Aaron, Luke A, Sam and Chloe were all kind of nice people. Some may have had their moments, but they were not nasty.

Whereas sneakiness, slyness, ruthlessness and nastiness are welcomed to BBUSA.

Had BB13 stayed "gameplay" Conor would have won because even after that aspect ended, he continuously hinted to the Insiders to nominate the Outsiders, and then within the Insiders, he was actually liked by all, who would have voted him as winner.

There is no way the Luke A/Deana/Adam group would have survived because there were more of the Insiders at the start.

But we're talking about the BBUS format not the BBUK format with nom talk, and in the BBUS format, and of the Outsider group could have saved themselves by winning comps.

[Samm]

I wish they would hurry up and confirm what's happening already since these same old debates about the BBUS format will stop

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by TomC

But we're talking about the BBUS format not the BBUK format with nom talk, and in the BBUS format, and of the Outsider group could have saved themselves by winning comps.

Even so. IMO, it just drifts BB away from what it has already drifted away from.

The only thing standing from BB1 is that we get people out, with that gone, there would be no point of BB or even the BB voice telling the HMs what to do.

I would hate 70 HL shows of 50 mins, "The HMs are discussing who they will nominate", "the HMs are making an alliance", "the hms are talking about putting so and so on the chopping block".

No thanks.

Also, i recall the viewers and forum people hated the gameplay aspect of 13, leading it to end in Week 2. I heard rumours that it was supposed to be ALL gameplay. But people complained about the lack of fun and BB reversed it. In fact there was a big thread on here and DS about begging BB to stop it.

Also, with that we wouldn't have gotten ABCD eviction. It would have been Deana out of there if the HMs had their way because she would have had Ashleigh, Luke S, Conor and Arron against her. Conor and Arron would have split the Outsiders votes to evict.

Bye Bye Deana.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

Even so. IMO, it just drifts BB away from what it has already drifted away from.

The only thing standing from BB1 is that we get people out, with that gone, there would be no point of BB or even the BB voice telling the HMs what to do.

I would hate 70 HL shows of 50 mins, "The HMs are discussing who they will nominate", "the HMs are making an alliance", "the hms are talking about putting so and so on the chopping block".

No thanks.

Also, i recall the viewers and forum people hated the gameplay aspect of 13, leading it to end in Week 2. I heard rumours that it was supposed to be ALL gameplay. But people complained about the lack of fun and BB reversed it. In fact there was a big thread on here and DS about begging BB to stop it.

Also, with that we wouldn't have gotten ABCD eviction. It would have been Deana out of there if the HMs had their way because she would have had Ashleigh, Luke S, Conor and Arron against her. Conor and Arron would have split the Outsiders votes to evict.

Bye Bye Deana.

Yeah idg the hate against the UK public voting. Well I do - their taste is trash most of the time, but brilliant housemates like Deana and Makosi wouldn't have gotten as far as they did with the BBUS format.

Deana would've been out in Week 4 (or even earlier if Arron/Conor won HOH in like Week 2 or something) if the housemates decided who was evicted because she was the most unpopular housemate inside the house (she got the most nominations in the series). And people like Conor would've gotten really far (and probably would've won) because he had a strong and loyal group in the house and whoever he disliked would've been picked off in quick succession with the help of Caroline, Ashleigh, Arron, Becky, Luke S, and anyone else he would've manipulated.

Makosi would've went earlier cause she'd be seen as a threat or something nnn

[karl100589]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Yeah idg the hate against the UK public voting. Well I do - their taste is trash most of the time, but brilliant housemates like Deana and Makosi wouldn't have gotten as far as they did with the BBUS format.

Deana would've been out in Week 4 (or even earlier if Arron/Conor won HOH in like Week 2 or something) if the housemates decided who was evicted because she was the most unpopular housemate inside the house (she got the most nominations in the series). And people like Conor would've gotten really far (and probably would've won) because he had a strong and loyal group in the house and whoever he disliked would've been picked off in quick succession with the help of Caroline, Ashleigh, Arron, Becky, Luke S, and anyone else he would've manipulated.

Makosi would've went earlier cause she'd be seen as a threat or something nnn

But Conor would also have been the first target had the opposite side of the house won HOH, he was too much of an alpha to go under the radar.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by karl100589

But Conor would also have been the first target had the opposite side of the house won HOH, he was too much of an alpha to go under the radar.

But he'd still survive since his side of the house would've outnumbered the other in the final vote to evict.

[LukeB]

I can see Deana getting far if she it was BBUSA format, you don't need to be loved by everyone to get far into it.