[Jason.]

I actually think 4in4out was more unfair given some people were evicted without having received a single nomination and were flipped over for some people who had like 9 nominations. Not to mention Emma smugly uttering the words "You were all getting along so well...we had to do something" as a justification for turfing them out in a cardboard time machine. It was insulting.

The final pass doesn't look good in hindsight because a) it was given to Helen and b) she ended up winning with it when realistically she would've been out in like Week 2. But had someone like Chris got it and came fifth with it, then it probably wouldn't be seen as much of a big deal, which is understandable.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I actually think 4in4out was more unfair given some people were evicted without having received a single nomination and were flipped over for some people who had like 9 nominations. Not to mention Emma smugly uttering the words "You were all getting along so well...we had to do something" as a justification for turfing them out in a cardboard time machine. It was insulting.

What adds insult to injury is the fact that the ones that caused some drama were turfed out and the remaining clique that got along so well banded together against the newbies in one of the worst us vs them of all time. Ugh I HATE BB16.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I would take 4in4out over final passes as that's more unfair especially since it was so obvious Pauline would give it to a day 1 housemate which was more unfair on day 2 housemates where they also missed out of the first PH.

I would take 16usa over a season full of racists/homophobia/constant bullying. Nearly all of the cast were bigots which for me kills a season. Which is why Elissa/Candice/Helen(usa) need a second chance it was only them 3 who was decent.

I don't ignore I just don't buy it tbh simply because you think Helen was amazing tv when all she did is shout at someone and argue all the time. But each to their own, I just don't understand why you criticise other people for bullying when Helen was targeting Jale,isolated her,ganged up on Ashleigh with her clique, but 16 made you see the real her., she was basically the same person but said more nasty things.

I don't think it's unfair at all, John was given a pass to the final in BB:CH on the first night and I don't recall many people complaining about it back then tbh...maybe it's cause he was a dullard what is unfair is flipping the noms around and evicting four people and ejecting another all in pursuit of ratings when actually the series was really promising up until that point. You may have a point that the final pass should've been done on day two, but we got seriously lucky that it went to Helen and that thankfully the producers didn't pander to the pathetic calls to revoke it (when usually people complain they're always flip-flopping and undoing things) and actually stuck to their guns

There may have been bigots but it was gripping in the sense I was actively rooting against them and for the underdogs, seasons like that under the US format are great to watch, maybe not at the time but certainly in hindsight. BB16 was monotonous and controlled by one houseguest who put a stop to anything happening to protect his own game, it was dull

Again, I'm not getting into another debate about whether or not Helen bullied anyone on BB15, so please don't try and incite it. The fact of the matter is that nearly anything bad that's ever happened on BBUK pales into insignificance compared to that on BBUS. And I have more favourites than just Helen? what about Marcus? Freddie? Mark? Dexter? Lydia? Sarah? To name a few...most of these either didn't shout at all or did so sparingly, you are doing it on purpose and quite frankly it's trolling. I don't support people who shout for the sake of it, that's not a prerequisite of being my favourite, I support people who contribute. If you paid attention to any of my posts ever, you would know this

Originally Posted by reece(:

What adds insult to injury is the fact that the ones that caused some drama were turfed out and the remaining clique that got along so well banded together against the newbies in one of the worst us vs them of all time. Ugh I HATE BB16.

lmao I know right, they basically did the twist to save Jade and then she faded into the background for the next few weeks before emerging again anyway

It's definitely up there with the quad eviction, that robbed us of the best final of all time, 4In4Out destroyed a really promising series

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think it's unfair at all, John was given a pass to the final in BB:CH on the first night and I don't recall many people complaining about it back then tbh...maybe it's cause he was a dullard what is unfair is flipping the noms around and evicting four people and ejecting another all in pursuit of ratings when actually the series was really promising up until that point. You may have a point that the final pass should've been done on day two, but we got seriously lucky that it went to Helen and that thankfully the producers didn't pander to the pathetic calls to revoke it (when usually people complain they're always flip-flopping and undoing things) and actually stuck to their guns

There may have been bigots but it was gripping in the sense I was actively rooting against them and for the underdogs, seasons like that under the US format are great to watch, maybe not at the time but certainly in hindsight. BB16 was monotonous and controlled by one houseguest who put a stop to anything happening to protect his own game, it was dull

Again, I'm not getting into another debate about whether or not Helen bullied anyone on BB15, so please don't try and incite it. The fact of the matter is that nearly anything bad that's ever happened on BBUK pales into insignificance compared to that on BBUS. And I have more favourites than just Helen? what about Marcus? Freddie? Mark? Dexter? Lydia? Sarah? To name a few...most of these either didn't shout at all or did so sparingly, you are doing it on purpose and quite frankly it's trolling. I don't support people who shout for the sake of it, that's not a prerequisite of being my favourite, I support people who contribute. If you paid attention to any of my posts ever, you would know this

Who the hell is John and what is BB:CH. It was still unfair but each of them had the chance to be nominated but the power housemate only being decided between the day one housemates and the day 2 housemates had no chance in hell getting any rewards. It should have only been a day 1 launch where each one had equal chances of getting the pass. The public should have decided that but it still was an awful twist because they are sailing through to the final which is not the point.

Yes i'm clearly a troll. heard it all now lol.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Who the hell is John and what is BB:CH.

Celebrity Hijack. A good series tbh.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Who the hell is John and what is BB:CH. It was still unfair but each of them had the chance to be nominated but the power housemate only being decided between the day one housemates and the day 2 housemates had no chance in hell getting any rewards. It should have only been a day 1 launch where each one had equal chances of getting the pass. The public should have decided that but it still was an awful twist because they are sailing through to the final which is not the point.

Yes i'm clearly a troll. heard it all now lol.

John from Celebrity Hijack. But none of them were nominated, that's the point! And quite frankly I'd take Helen sailing through to the final over the countless non-entities we've had over the years who've done so through nothing but sitting in the background and never saying a word

I didn't say you were a troll, I said what you're doing is practically trolling because it is - repeating the same line over and over again whenever you're losing an argument despite the fact it's been refuted on several occasions, all of which you've not paid attention to (and probably won't to this time either, you haven't responded again so I'll expect the same comment in a few weeks time)

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

John from Celebrity Hijack. But none of them were nominated, that's the point! And quite frankly I'd take Helen sailing through to the final over the countless non-entities we've had over the years who've done so through nothing but sitting in the background and never saying a word

I didn't say you were a troll, I said what you're doing is practically trolling because it is - repeating the same line over and over again whenever you're losing an argument despite the fact it's been refuted on several occasions, all of which you've not paid attention to (and probably won't to this time either, you haven't responded again so I'll expect the same comment in a few weeks time)

Sarah had 2 nominations it was only Harriet who had 0 noms i think.

Clearly I'm not trolling, I do read what you say but as I said before I don't buy it. I don't say it on purpose, I said it for a reason.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't recall many people watching it back then tbh

And people have never held the spin off including CBB to the standard of the regular show when it comes to the rules and fairness anyway.

Probably not much less than those who watched BB15 tbh

Hijack had civilian housemates though and a prize fund so it's different, but I really don't recall anyone caring that John got the pass to the final

Originally Posted by LukeB

Sarah had 2 nominations it was only Harriet who had 0 noms i think.

Clearly I'm not trolling, I do read what you say but as I said before I don't buy it. I don't say it on purpose, I said it for a reason.

Okay, but they weren't up for eviction, that's hardly fair either. You only hate the final pass more because Helen got it and that's the bottom line of it

But you're not reading it...on several occasions I've demonstrated to you why it isn't the truth, and on all of those occasions you've ignored my response and repeated the same line ad nauseam in future. Deliberately. Which is practically the same as trolling. So again, without ignoring it this time, if I only support housemates based on whether they shout or not, how do you explain my support for the housemates I listed (of which there are more) a minute ago, whom rarely shouted or never did?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think it's unfair at all, John was given a pass to the final in BB:CH on the first night and I don't recall many people complaining about it back then tbh...

I don't recall many people watching it back then tbh

And people have never held the spin off including CBB to the standard of the regular show when it comes to the rules and fairness anyway.