[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Josy

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Great post here josy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

getting on the Josy appreciation train

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh please just stop,the hatred of Marco is ridiculous now,she loved it there was NO sign from her for him to stop,and how is Marco portrayed as the innocent one he is the one everyone is hating on because of it,but it's made me like him more as it's pretty unfair,they are both sex mad tarts,simple as.

Originally Posted by Jack_

I see no one's pointed out the fact that neither of them are to blame yet.

To start with it's worth mentioning the fact that Laura isn't in a relationship, so she is entitled to do what she likes. In normal circumstances it would not be her responsibility to not cheat on her partner, but that of the person she's playing around with.

That said, Marco and his girlfriend have both said he has a 'hall pass' to effectively do what he wants while he's on Big Brother. I realise he said it was an open relationship too, but that doesn't dissolve the hall pass that his girlfriend has said still exists. In which case, per the terms of it, he is also entitled to do what he wants and it is the business of no one else to criticise him for it. You can dislike him all you want (and I obviously understand the reasons), but it is his and his girlfriend's relationship and not ours. If she said he was permitted to do this, then that is that. I think some people are allowing their distaste, misunderstanding and personal opposition to having a hall pass (or an open relationship in general) for themselves or their own (hypothetical) partner to cloud their judgement. It doesn't matter whether you couldn't operate your relationship in the same manner (I couldn't either, btw), it still exists and it is up to Marco and his fiancé to determine whether that's acceptable or not and not a bunch of Big Brother fans.

Open your minds. Criticise his behaviour all you like, but slating him because he has a fiancé when said fiancé has said the hall pass does exist is just stupid. Those are the terms of his relationship and it's about time people started to understand them.

Great posts!

I don't particularly like Marco but I think the amount of hatred for him is a tad OTT and he's certainly getting a lot of unwarranted blame imo. In a way it's unusually refreshing that the man is getting more blame than the woman but still, neither of them should be really.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

[Jack_]

Very sad that in 2016 people still can't allow other people to conduct their relationships however they please

I guess we still have a long way to go!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Very sad that in 2016 people still can't allow other people to conduct their relationships however they please

I guess we still have a long way to go!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

Well that's tenuous at best but if he does genuinely break up with her on TV at some point then I WILL criticise him, but my point was more that those who grant hall passes or agree to open relationships in general believe their feelings for each other are strong enough that in doing so it won't affect each other. And again, they are entitled to do that without being criticised by people who couldn't themselves do the same and therefore don't understand it

One example of a relationship doesn't really change that

[armand.kay]

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

Nowhere near as much the blame that Marco is getting.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well that's tenuous at best but if he does genuinely break up with her on TV at some point then I WILL criticise him, but my point was more that those who grant hall passes or agree to open relationships in general believe their feelings for each other are strong enough that in doing so it won't affect each other. And again, they are entitled to do that without being criticised by people who couldn't themselves do the same and therefore don't understand it

One example of a relationship doesn't really change that

How do you know that though? Like how are you so sure that most people in open relationships/give out hall passess are both happy and secure in the relationship? It's your opinion and mine is that alot are probably only doing it to hang on to the other person or because damage limitation for when they "cheat".

Marcos fiancee or ex fiancee whatever she is now, was very quick to clarify that her and Marco were not on the same page when talking about the hall pass/open relationship situation

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

Exactly. They don't care he has a hall pass and that his girlfriend has confirmed it. For them it's still cheating.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

This is literally nonsense. We'll see who gets the chants on Friday..

[armand.kay]

I do believe the whole hall pass thing but I don't think she's happy about it. And if Marco is happy to go on like this on national to then clearly he doesn't love and respect her as much as you should love and respect you fiancé. He's basically made a mug of her on tv and and she is a mug for allowing it to happen. But whatever it's their relationship I really couldn't care less about this entire situation.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

Everything posted here is personal opinion Jack, from you, I and everyone else, is everyone's judgement clouded then including your own?

I don't care that Marco or his fiancee has said he has a hall pass or that hall passes exist, and of course they are perfectly entitled to do what they want just as I am perfectly entitled to find hall passes to be bull**** and highly disrespectful to the people involved regardless if they say they are ok with it or not, Marco is on BB airing his business about his relationship, it's mixing with current events that are going on in the house therefore any of us watching are entitled to judge and have an opinion on it.

As for their relationship being strong enough I find that laughable, they have been together less than two months

Class and respect aren't meaningless to me, hence the reason I commented about them in my last post.

[Withano]

I blame Andy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I blame Andy

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know that though? Like how are you so sure that most people in open relationships/give out hall passess are both happy and secure in the relationship? It's your opinion and mine is that alot are probably only doing it to hang on to the other person or because damage limitation for when they "cheat".

Marcos fiancee or ex fiancee whatever she is now, was very quick to clarify that her and Marco were not on the same page when talking about the hall pass/open relationship situation

She denied the open relationship which I'll admit was pretty rude of him to say if that wasn't the case, but confirmed the hall pass

And because if you and your partner feel strong enough in your feelings for each other and that you think they'd stand the test of time regardless, then agreeing that each other can have casual, no-strings sex with other people on the side deep in the knowledge that at the end of the day you can return to one another, still be in love and continue as normal - I'd say that's pretty strong. You'd certainly have to not be a jealous person that's for sure

What people seem to be assuming here is that everyone treats sex in exactly the same way and put it on a pedestal. For some people they consider it meaningless and so for their partner to be having it with others, it wouldn't affect their relationship because the love they have outweighs the sexual aspect. And that's their prerogative. Just because you or I could never agree to it, it doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to conduct their relationships in that way if they can. But it's certainly not the place of anyone else to tell them they're 'disrespectful' or 'cheating' just because they don't understand it

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

Dumbing a gf on tv without her being there is such a dick move.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

Yeah I'm not denying that Marco is getting some heat from this but I'm just saying people seem to dislike Laura a lot more and all she's done in the house is be marco's ho while Marco is also hated but for a lot more reasons not just this.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Nowhere near as much the blame that Marco is getting.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Exactly. They don't care he has a hall pass and that his girlfriend has confirmed it. For them it's still cheating.

Clearly your watching a different show than I am because it's Laura who is always slated on bots, it's Laura who had the crowd chanting to get her out, it's Laura who everyone in the house is putting responsibly on by telling her to cool it down, it's Laura who is getting bitched about in the house in regards to this relationship, it's Laura who has a mob of Twitter girls and Facebook nannies out for her blood and it's Laura who is being targeted by the others Marco is hardly getting any heat for this. Most of the hate he is getting is because of his PERSONALITY!!! Not this. People would hate him even if this relationship never happened this just adds to the hate.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Yeah I'm not denying that Marco is getting some heat from this but I'm just saying people seem to dislike Laura a lot more and all she's done in the house is be marco's ho while Marco is also hated but for a lot more reasons not just this.





Clearly your watching a different show than I am because it's Laura who is always slated on bots, it's Laura who had the crowd chanting to get her out, it's Laura who everyone in the house is putting responsibly on by telling her to cool it down, it's Laura who is getting bitched about in the house in regards to this relationship, it's Laura who has a mob of Twitter girls and Facebook nannies out for her blood and it's Laura who is being targeted by the others Marco is hardly getting any heat for this. Most of the hate he is getting is because of his PERSONALITY!!! Not this. People would hate him even if this relationship never happened this just adds to the hate.

BOTS accused him of coercing Laura into a sexual relationship. A very serious allegation and they backtracked last night. Because they know it's not true.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She denied the open relationship which I'll admit was pretty rude of him to say if that wasn't the case, but confirmed the hall pass

And because if you and your partner feel strong enough in your feelings for each other and that you think they'd stand the test of time regardless, then agreeing that each other can have casual, no-strings sex with other people on the side deep in the knowledge that at the end of the day you can return to one another, still be in love and continue as normal - I'd say that's pretty strong. You'd certainly have to not be a jealous person that's for sure

What people seem to be assuming here is that everyone treats sex in exactly the same way and put it on a pedestal. For some people they consider it meaningless and so for their partner to be having it with others, it wouldn't affect their relationship because the love they have outweighs the sexual aspect. And that's their prerogative. Just because you or I could never agree to it, it doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to conduct their relationships in that way if they can. But it's certainly not the place of anyone else to tell them they're 'disrespectful' or 'cheating' just because they don't understand it

With all due respect jack you're making the assumption that this is how all people in open relationships feel and that is just not the case, i'm sure some are how you described but I would say that in a lot of cases one person is only doing it to make the other happy/for fear of losing them if they don't/thinks would just cheat anyway. I've read countless stories to that effect about such relationships

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I do believe the whole hall pass thing but I don't think she's happy about it. And if Marco is happy to go on like this on national to then clearly he doesn't love and respect her as much as you should love and respect you fiancé. He's basically made a mug of her on tv and and she is a mug for allowing it to happen. But whatever it's their relationship I really couldn't care less about this entire situation.

...oh so much this, Armand.....I doubt that Marco has taken 'all of the blame' for anything in his life or any responsibility whatsoever for anything he does../any of his actions...he seems to completely have a child's thought process and lacking any responsibility or commitment and certainly not in any type of committed relationship...(whatever the 'agreements' of that relationship may be...)...I don't have any thoughts about his fiancé because she knows who he is/what he is and has chosen to be with him and I don't have any thoughts about Laura because she's making her choices in the house as well...(and seems to have an equal child thought process as Marco..)...the whole 'storyline' from all of them seems incredibly contrived and I personally find it just completely boring and have no interest at all...other than the fact that it's taking up more air-time than it deserves....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

Everything posted here is personal opinion Jack, from you, I and everyone else, is everyone's judgement clouded then including your own?

I don't care that Marco or his fiancee has said he has a hall pass or that hall passes exist, and of course they are perfectly entitled to do what they want just as I am perfectly entitled to find hall passes to be bull**** and highly disrespectful to the people involved regardless if they say they are ok with it or not, Marco is on BB airing his business about his relationship, it's mixing with current events that are going on in the house therefore any of us watching are entitled to judge and have an opinion on it.

As for their relationship being strong enough I find that laughable, they have been together less than two months

Class and respect aren't meaningless to me, hence the reason I commented about them in my last post.

No, because I'm not allowing my own personal opposition to having an open relationship or a 'hall pass' cloud my judgement of someone else's right to have one. Just because I couldn't have one, it doesn't mean I refuse to understand others wanting to. I am able to process that and not allow my personal opposition to them to take over and criticise anyone else who chooses to conduct their relationships in different ways to me.

Well it's not really up to you or me or anyone else to say that someone else's relationship is 'disrespectful' to their partner because...it isn't our relationship. The only people who can decide what's disrespectful or not is the people involved in it, because they are the ones who are a part of it

You can judge Marco's behaviour all you like, and you can criticise his and Laura's OTT dry humping too (I don't really see the point but each to their own), but you cannot criticise his and his fiancés relationship because it is not yours to decide the terms of it. What him and his fiancé say goes, and no amount of criticism from a few Big Brother fans who don't understand why anyone would agree to an open relationship or a hall pass is going to change it.

Yes but what you, I, Dave down the road and multiple others consider to be 'classy' and 'respectful' are subjective and on a sliding scale. They're concepts which aren't quantifiable so therefore they are just meaningless buzz words