[bots]

young or old people vote related to their personal circumstances. As young people tend to have less responsibilities and fears they are more likely to vote for a change and step into the dark than those with families.

Those who voted last time are entitled to have a change of mind in the interim

I am old enough to remember life before we joined the common market No one was aware at that time that the aim was political union across europe. Had they known, i don't believe it would have received a single vote.

Now we are out, we will be negotiating trade deals with other countries in europe, we will be setting up a common market .... which is what was originally voted for.

You don't see anyone complaining about the prospect of a trade deal, we all want it, so the original vote and aim has been restored.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Now we are out, we will be negotiating trade deals with other countries in europe, we will be setting up a common market .... which is what was originally voted for.

You don't see anyone complaining about the prospect of a trade deal, we all want it, so the original vote and aim has been restored.

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

I know you didn't ask me this question, but...

They're still going to want to sell their sh1t to us, it's not a one-way street. So... yes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know you didn't ask me this question, but...

They're still going to want to sell their sh1t to us, it's not a one-way street. So... yes.

The UK is now the outsider with no safety net. It is the weakest possible negotiating position. Less to offer, less ability to hold out for more... the deals that can realistically be struck with EU member countries are always going to be skewed to the other country's advantage.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The UK is now the outsider with no safety net. It is the weakest possible negotiating position. Less to offer, less ability to hold out for more... the deals that can realistically be struck with EU member countries are always going to be skewed to the other country's advantage.

Well, for instance, the UK is BMW's fourth largest market after China, the USA and Germany. If they want to continue to sell to us there will have to be an agreement that favours us too.

We'll have to wait and see, of course... but I don't believe for one minute it's going to be as bad as your painting it, quite the reverse.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

Well, I voted to remain

But, there will be a lot of gesturing initially. The EU want to strike while its all fresh in the mind, hoping to put the UK at a disadvantage by common agreement. We should and will take it slowly, negotiating deals with countries that provide the best mutual benefit first. Once they are defined and agreed, the smaller countries will have to fall into line

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

Now we have Brexited - WE are in the BIG chair, and the EU is in the LITTLE chair, and they will jump through OUR hoops to continue trading with us - the deals may be thrashed out behind closed doors, as with so much of the corrupt twots dealings - but they WILL jump through our hoops.

The reasons why I say this are:

The EU’s share of global GDP fell from 30% in 1993 to 24% in 2013 and is STILL plummeting.

The UK has suffered a negative Trade Balance with The EU for decades, and it is increasing - in April of 2016, our trade deficit with the EU was Ł16 BILLION pounds - FOR THE MONTH.

We BOUGHT Ł16 BILLION POUNDS OF GOODS MORE FROM THE EU, THAN WE SOLD TO THEM - IN ONE MONTH.

With an ever increasingly plummeting share of Global GDP the crumbing EU is DESPERATE for trade, so the very notion that they will 'put barriers' in our way and deprive themselves of Ł20 BILLION POUNDS per month trade surplus is banal.

And for those who have been seduced by the propaganda and lies that the UK was economically stronger in the EU, bear in mind that we have been in the EU for over 40 years, then read this tiny snippet from Ed Conway, Economics Editor of Sky News:

"The worst goods trade deficit in more than three centuries"

"Last year Britain recorded its biggest deficit in goods trade since records began.*

Those records technically go all the way back to 1697, though getting hold of the data is rather tricky. The ONS only has numbers going back to 1998, on a comparable basis, while HM Revenue & Customs supposedly has the 300-year series of data, but, when I spoke to them earlier today, weren’t exactly sure where one can lay one’s hands on it."

THE WORST TRADE FIGURES FOR 300 YEARS! And note the difficulty in actually obtaining information from HMRC.

So much for any argument that we are 'economically better off in', and for any belief that the crumbling corrupt EU will salve their wounded pride by making it more difficult to trade with us - as I have said on here for a year - WE DO NOT NEED THE EU, THEY NEED US.

As you will witness.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Now we have Brexited - WE are in the BIG chair, ad the EU is in the LITTLE chair and they will jump through OUR hoops to continue trading with us - the deals may be thrashed out behind closed doors, as with so much of the corrupt twots dealings - but they WILL jump through our hoops.

The reasons why I say this are:

The EU’s share of global GDP fell from 30% in 1993 to 24% in 2013 and is STILL plummeting.

The UK has suffered a negative Trade Balance with The EU for decades, and it is increasing - in April of 2016, our trade deficit with the EU was Ł16 BILLION pounds - FOR THE MONTH.

We BOUGHT Ł16 BILLION POUNDS OF GOODS MORE FROM THE EU, THAN WE SOLD TO THEM.

With an ever increasingly plummeting share of Global GDP the crumbing EU is DESPERATE for trade, so the very notion that they will 'put barriers' in our way and deprive themselves of Ł20 BILLION POUNDS per month trade surplus is banal.

And for those who have been seduced by the propaganda and lies that the UK was economically stronger in the EU, bear in mind that we have been in the EU for over 40 years, then read this tiny snippet from Ed Conway, Economics Editor of Sky News:

"The worst goods trade deficit in more than three centuries"

"Last year Britain recorded its biggest deficit in goods trade since records began.*

Those records technically go all the way back to 1697, though getting hold of the data is rather tricky. The ONS only has numbers going back to 1998, on a comparable basis, while HM Revenue & Customs supposedly has the 300-year series of data, but, when I spoke to them earlier today, weren’t exactly sure where one can lay one’s hands on it."

THE WORST TRADE FIGURES FOR 300 YEARS! And note the difficulty in actually obtaining information from HMRC.

So much for any argument that we are 'economically better off in', and for any belief that the crumbling corrupt EU will salve their wounded pride by making it more difficult to trade with us - as I have said on here for a year - WE DO NOT NEED THE EU, THEY NEEDD US.

As you will witness.

As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Kirk... we have **** all to sell. That is why we have a trade deficit that continues to rocket. We don't produce. We consume.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Kirk... we have **** all to sell. That is why we have a trade deficit that continues to rocket. We don't produce. We consume.

That is pure baloney. Just not true, but I have no time at present to answer fully, so I will do so later.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

That is pure baloney. Just not true, but I have no time at present to answer fully, so I will do so later.

I anxiously await more patriotism-fuelled delusions of grandeur, Kirk.

"WE are in the BIG chair" about sums it up. You have left reason behind in your excitement.

[Liberty4eva]

I just had a random thought. The voting results remind me of a poem. Those who are (very) well read in history will know the historical meaning of it.

If buttercups buzz'd after the bee,
If boats were on land, churches on sea,
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows,
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse,
If the mamas sold their babies
To the gypsies for half a crown;
If summer were spring and the other way round,
Then all the world would be upside down.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I anxiously await more patriotism-fuelled delusions of grandeur, Kirk.

"WE are in the BIG chair" about sums it up. You have left reason behind in your excitement.

Toy Soldier, everything is gonna be okay. Be okay. Be okay. Everything is gonna be okay.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

No I expect they won't make it easy at all.

I still say we will have to accept the free movement of EU citizens and I believe whoever does the negotiations will in the end accept that.

If the UK citizens demand goods from European Countries, then we will still have to import them, no matter the costs of doing so,and the EU knows that.

I say you are right.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No I expect they won't make it easy at all.

I still say we will have to accept the free movement of EU citizens and I believe whoever does the negotiations will in the end accept that.

If the UK citizens demand goods from European Countries, then we will still have to import them, no matter the costs of doing so,and the EU knows that.

I say you are right.

Well there's a surprise Joey - ignore FACTS and agree with opinion.