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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In your example it is only democracy if you don't consider the Scottish vote as a separate entity; it is "democracy" across the UK. As a separate consideration, 38% of Scots voted to leave vs a clear majority of 62% voting to stay, and yet Scotland is out anyway, which is a clear failure of democracy (for Scotland) just as having a Tory government is a failure for Scotland when a clear majority does not want one.

Taking Scotland as a separate entity, all your actually doing is demonstrating perfectly how being part of the UK represents the OPPOSITE of "good democracy" for Scotland. We vote, our desires are clear, we get stuck with the thing that we didn't want anyway. English decisions will demonstrably always over-ride Scottish desires. Scotland does not have democracy. The only way for Scotland to have democracy, as an individual nation, is to be separate from England.

I think that you are greatly confused:

The 'Scottish vote' is NOT a 'seperate entity', and here's why:

Because Scotland is still part of the United Kingdom, then the vote of any Scottish people in The UK EU Referendum, constitutes a vote by BRITISH subjects - the fact that they are Scottish and live in Scotland is irrelevant in this context, other than for simple identification purposes.

Being British subjects, Scottish people are constitutionally bound - in a Democracy - to accept the majority concensus in any election or referendum, exactly as English, Welsh and Northern Irish people have to.

Now, IF Scotland was ALREADY an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY, and 62% of Scottish people voted to become a member of the EU in a Scottish EU Referendum, against 38% of Scottish people who voted to stay out of the EU, then those 38% would be constitionally bound - in a Democracy - to accept the majority concensus.

Which is EXACTLY what the point of my satire is.

In a seperate Scotland which boasted Democracy, the minority in any official election or referendum, are going to be compelled to accept the majority concensus.

So Nicola Sturgeon, as Prime Minister of an independent Scotland, would be FORCING upon the MINORITY, or LOSING voters, the WILL of the MAJORITY, or WINNING voters - which is EXACTLY what the silly cow is whining about now.

As to your grouse about; "We vote, our desires are clear, we get stuck with the thing that we didn't want anyway." this is because you are a BRITISH subject living in a DEMOCRACY - the same as the rest of us English, Northern Irish, and Welsh subjects. Some of us, are often among the minority in elections, but we are bound to accept such a fact. I did not vote for Cameron and the Tories for instance, nor did I ever vote to join the Common Market/EU.

I WANT Scotland to hold another Independence Referendum, and if she does, and the result is that she gains her independence, then all well and good. I have no arguments.

Until then, however, you and the rest of Scotland are NOT independent, and as such, you are bound by the same laws and regulations as the rest of us.