[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bennybobs claimants can do those jobs for £2 an hour.

Ah.... that makes sense actually, now they don't need to set up agencies to bring in cheap labour they can introduce mandatory work schemes for claimants and 'apprenticeships' for the yoofs even cheaper.

Why exploit foreigners when we have plenty of people here to exploit? I get it now.

[Vicky.]

Another 2 people on my FB shared this

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

[Scarlett.]

This album is what made me start this thread.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

This album is what made me start this thread.

Skim read most. Thats ****ing disgusting.

[bitontheslide]

well, the laws surrounding racism remain the same. They don't change, so if this brings racists out into the open where it can be dealt with, it can only be good.

I have no doubt that racists attached themselves to the brexit campaign, but one cannot lump everyone who voted out into the same category. So while it may seem like its made things worse, I think its just made it more obvious.

[joeysteele]

I am not on facebook.I hate it, however even my family are appalled at the tone and statements being made after this result.
Makes me near ashamed to be part of the UK.

[Kizzy]

Seen some similar comments on here at times, (just an observation)

[Ammi]

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

But but but I thought Brexiters weren't racist?

"Leave vote it's not about trade and other business it's about immigration simple as that! It's to stop the Muslims..."

Movement is alright just not from brown people

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Exactly what ISIS want. Soon the Muslim community will feel even more isolated then eventually give in more and more to Isis grooming.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Exactly what ISIS want. Soon the Muslim community will feel even more isolated then eventually give in more and more to Isis grooming.

Agreed. Some people so concerned with keeping people out of the country, that they don't give a second thought to the consequences of rejecting those who are already here.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

..it's got nothing to do with optimism at all TS..I see prejudice/racist stuff at work from small children...would you say that was 'hate' also..?...because there is no hate in them at all, it's inherited through environments and influences and shouting it down will achieve absolutely nothing at all..it will only breed defensiveness and on and on and on...nothing will ever change...there is only one 'fight' against ignorance that can ever have any chance of victory whatsoever and that's educating and discussing and understanding that person's fears or prejudices...I'm not optimistic at all, I'm very much a realist....

[LeatherTrumpet]

just been to take the children to school and can report that i did not come across any racism

will update later when I go to the Spar..


LT

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

The intellectual quality of this forum would not only be severely impaired without you Ammi, one truely impartial voice of reason (BOTS being the other) would be gone.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Hopefully now that we can finally look forward to a more controlled immigration policy racism will decline.

[joeysteele]

Overheard this in my ASDA supermarket this morning by a group of men too as to this referendum.

They better get moving and make sure they stop 'them' coming into our Country, that's what was voted for.

Whoever 'them' may be is open to anyone's guess,whoever they are, they are likely not seen as people or human beings.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hopefully now that we can finally look forward to a more controlled immigration policy racism will decline.

You are aware of the problems Australia has with racism, right?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

What race are polish people? I saw there was an incident yesterday when someone put up signs telling polish people to go home. Is that racist?

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You are aware of the problems Australia has with racism, right?

well no as I have never heard of Australia having a particular problem with racism and i do tend to keep up to date with current affairs. I lived on australia and never came across racism?

I am sure there are racists there but its a big place very few people

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

yep, hard working and good people in my experience

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well no as I have never heard of Australia having a particular problem with racism and i do tend to keep up to date with current affairs. I lived on australia and never came across racism?

I am sure there are racists there but its a big place very few people

Aus has huge problems with both racism (particularly against black people and people of Aboriginal origin) and homophobia. Improving steadily for decades, but still some major issues.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Aus has huge problems with both racism (particularly against black people and people of Aboriginal origin) and homophobia. Improving steadily for decades, but still some major issues.

Australia is 20 years behind the UK so it not being the same as the UK is no surprise but how do you qualify a huge problems? oz is one of the most sought after countries to emigrate to.


I think if you stopped 100 people in any street in the UK and asked "does Oz have a huge problem with racism?" 100 would say no

just my guess

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

That's a generalisation which we apparently should'nt make.Some Polish are great and some are definately not.We had some living down our street who were constantly pissed and upsetting the neighbours.Many of them had arguments with them but i don't judge them all on just the ones i know.

[Toy Soldier]

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.