[Black Dagger]

Farage couldn't do grace if he was sat at a ****ing dinner party.

[user104658]

I didn't say that some of them are not convincing opinions but they're still not facts. I suppose some people have a loose definition of what constitutes a "fact"... I happen to be quite picky about what I'm willing to conceed is fact.

That said, I wouldn't say that my opinion if the EU has changed, per se... I was never so much "Pro EU" as "Pro remain" which is slightly different. If we were NOT current members and we're voting on whether or not we should JOIN, I would always have said a definite "no". My Pro remain stance, as an allegory, works well like this:

You're on a mad scientists table, he asks you "Do you want me to embed this experimental microchip in your brain??". You'd have to be insane to say "sure why not." that's the vote "to join".

THIS vote, however, the scenario is... You wake up, you already HAVE the chip embedded in your brain, thousands of wires have sprouted from it and are woven throughout your skull. The question NOW is... Do you dig your fingers into the hole in your skull and rip it out (LEAVE), or do you leave it ALONE (REMAIN) because of the irreversible damage that pulling it out now will do?

Anyway, that always has been and still is my opinion. What has softened my stance is some fairly convincing arguments that the EU is now doomed to unravel anyway, and may well have been before this also. These are still not facts. It may well thrive without us still. I have been swayed to the OPINION that it will probably not.

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, when i reopen I would ask you all to stop getting personal with eachother, "leavers/remainers" in general and just stick to the topic.

[arista]

Thank you Kind Mod for your hard work

[arista]

Radio 4 started with a Great Report on Nige


I mean that Plane Crash
people soon Forget


What a Guy

[arista]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

Farage couldn't do grace if he was sat at a ****ing dinner party.

Thats his style.



Like TS , LT
or me

we have a style

[Liberty4eva]

He achieved what he set out for and now wants his life back. He is a refreshing change from the career politicians we're used to. In so many ways he is a refreshing change.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

He achieved what he set out for and now wants his life back. He is a refreshing change from the career politicians we're used to. In so many ways he is a refreshing change.

Plus his Kids need him

[chuff me dizzy]

A sad day ,he would have made an amazing PM

[arista]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A sad day ,he would have made an amazing PM

Later on , he still could be

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Later on , he still could be

Not a chance now, had he been a Conservative maybe.
One should never say never but to this I do say never now and never under this electoral system either.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not a chance now, had he been a Conservative maybe.
One should never say never but to this I do say never now and never under this electoral system either.

with Respect
we do not know in the Future what Political Parties
will be like.



NOW
there is 2 Labour Parties in the UK now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Labour_Parties
loads with other names

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

with Respect
we do not know in the Future what Political Parties
will be like.



NOW
there is 2 Labour Parties in the UK now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Labour_Parties
loads with other names

His day is gone now,I thought it possible a few years back, not now.

You are right predicting the future in politics is a fools business but there is also reality too.
Even if UKIP got a massive breakthrough,unlikely though that is,without him, they would not then want him as a PM likely. also he is not even going to run to be an MP anyway either now.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by microscope

If Theresa May get's in then we will continue in the single market and those little Hitler's in Brussels run things remember, and if they demand free movement of people (which they do), then immigrants will continue to come in thick and fast and we can't do anything about it, so just on that observation alone, not everybody wants to control immigration or they wouldn't place this country in that situation.

UKIP has always welcomed a reasonable amount of immigrants coming to live/work in the UK, but only a limited number and skilled workers rather than a load of people ending up claiming benefits and putting a huge strain on our economy, among other things.

Where did you get this idea that UKIP wants to bring in a load of immigrants to work for less than minimum wage? which I think you are implying.

A lot of us are choosing the lesser evil in wanting to keep our Economy stable and not having to use Visa's just to go to our neighbouring countries, so if that means putting up with a mass amounts of Immigration then I'm taking it.

And I'm not saying that UKIP would not pay them the minimum wage, it's more to do with the fact that the Immigrants that they want from the Middle East and Africa would not know that they could ask for a raise necessarily as they're used to the "put up and shut up" attitude of their own countries.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A sad day ,he would have made an amazing PM

The working class would be on the streets.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The working class would be on the streets.

Yes
Some Backing Him

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say that some of them are not convincing opinions but they're still not facts. I suppose some people have a loose definition of what constitutes a "fact"... I happen to be quite picky about what I'm willing to conceed is fact.

That said, I wouldn't say that my opinion if the EU has changed, per se... I was never so much "Pro EU" as "Pro remain" which is slightly different. If we were NOT current members and we're voting on whether or not we should JOIN, I would always have said a definite "no". My Pro remain stance, as an allegory, works well like this:

You're on a mad scientists table, he asks you "Do you want me to embed this experimental microchip in your brain??". You'd have to be insane to say "sure why not." that's the vote "to join".

THIS vote, however, the scenario is... You wake up, you already HAVE the chip embedded in your brain, thousands of wires have sprouted from it and are woven throughout your skull. The question NOW is... Do you dig your fingers into the hole in your skull and rip it out (LEAVE), or do you leave it ALONE (REMAIN) because of the irreversible damage that pulling it out now will do?

Anyway, that always has been and still is my opinion. What has softened my stance is some fairly convincing arguments that the EU is now doomed to unravel anyway, and may well have been before this also. These are still not facts. It may well thrive without us still. I have been swayed to the OPINION that it will probably not.

With regard to the waking up with the chip already embedded in my brain with all the wires sprouting. It would be coming right out, even if I had to dig it out with a spoon! No one is forcing me into an experiment I don't want to be part of. Specially one that hurts developing countries with its protectionism.

[Liberty4eva]

Farage would be an excellent choice for your PM. It is too bad that in the UK you vote for the party and then the party votes for its leader. Wouldn't it be nice if you could directly vote for the leader?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The working class would be on the streets.

Mock can you enlighten us with what you mean by working class, perhaps with some examples?

[reece(:]

He's certainly no king. Good riddance trash, and stay gone this time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by reece(:

He's certainly no king. Good riddance trash, and stay gone this time.

yes calling him trash really does show that you are the better man here

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes calling him trash really does show that you are the better man here

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled not to get personal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled not to get personal

its not an opinion you are insulting him to try and make out that you are somehow better

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Farage would be an excellent choice for your PM. It is too bad that in the UK you vote for the party and then the party votes for its leader. Wouldn't it be nice if you could directly vote for the leader?

Nope

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its not an opinion you are insulting him to try and make out that you are somehow better

Reece is better