[Daniel.]

All a load of rubbish. BBUK is far better than BBUS/BBCAN despite enjoying BBCAN myself

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

It's just not realistic. The show has been this way for 16 years and taking away the publics ultimate power wont go down as well as you're assuming it will.

I've never said it would go down amazingly because I'm not deluded, but as I said to Troy, BBUK is on its last legs, the brink of another axe knowing C5, and they're constantly coming up with these messy new twists and meaningless themes to try and change up the show when there's a consistent and new one right in front of them that they could trial - so what's to lose? There isn't anything at this point

And if Love Island can hold I think two public votes the entire series that had any kind of direct impact on who left and still be just as if not more successful than BBUK then I don't see why we can't try it

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

All a load of rubbish. BBUK is far better than BBUS/BBCAN despite enjoying BBCAN myself

You can't really say it's better than BBUS if you've hardly watched it, but it definitely isn't better than BBCan

Both the US and the UK could learn a lot from Canada's world leading version

[Daniel.]

BBCAN is better now, but the format of BBUK is better anyway, they just ruin it

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

the bit about only watching certain versions is entirely irrelevant but as for the rest, yes it's true that it may not go down very well with viewers but at this point BBUK is on its last legs and no doubt with C5 at the helm on the brink of the axe. They try and ~change it up~ every year with a multitude of nonsense twists and themes that amount to nothing ('the game is changing' FFS I mean if there were a more suitable time to trial this it would've been this year) so what would be the harm in giving a consistent, new (in UK terms) format a trial run for one series? There is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain at this point

Yep nothing to lose apart from the 1million viewers of BB, the 3million viewers of CBB and the existence of the show itself

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

ugh this is such a stupid argument and it needs to stop being recited

I like the premise of Big Brother itself and that is why I watch multiple versions. I prefer however the format that is used in the US and Canada and think it should be adopted here because it's superior and would enhance the show and freshen it up. Plus I want to watch Brits playing under that format because I'm pretty sure it would be hilariously messy, and I want to be given an opportunity to apply for it myself

Again, why if I and others like a format that's used on an international incarnation of a global TV show we enjoy, would we not want it used in our home nation's version? Why would we choose to have two versions when we could have three?



It's pointless using the current series under the current BBUK format to speculate about things like that since our version isn't set up properly for people to play games (certainly not ones that require any skill, more counterproductive ones) and in fact they're actively discouraged by both internal house politics and the viewing public. There's no way of telling who would and wouldn't be entertaining under different circumstances, and also I judge people completely differently under UK rules (who contributes the most) compared to US ones (who I subjectively like as people/find entertaining) so such a question can't really be answered

If in an alternative universe these housemates were competing under US rules however and Alex and Sam were playing well enough that they weren't evicted while Andy and Jayne weren't, then yes, that would be based on merit as opposed to whatever BS the public voters had come up with and is far fairer. If they were still dull and outlasted bigger characters then yes I'd still be annoyed as I am now when I watch BBUS and BBCan, but I can stomach their evictions far better because I know for the most part it is their own doing rather than being guilty of something moronic like speaking in an episode or out of their hands like not having a penis

No what's stupid is you wasting your time on one format of a show which you don't favour and know won't change to suit your needs, yet you continue to stick with it and spend hours slating it on a forum (yes it's a BB forum etc etc). BBUK won't adopt the BBUS format. It's been under the same "inferior" format for 17 years now and it's not going to change when the British public are used to it by now - the same way BBUSA won't change its current format as it has been running under the same format for 16 years now.

You've got two shows for your favourite format. If you want gameplay and talk - watch BBUS and Can instead. It's not that hard. Why do you care so much about BBUK adopting a format which is already being used across two different international versions already?

You obviously favour one format more than the other and that's fine but you don't see other people who prefer the UK format forcing BBUSA/Can to go and adopt the BBUK format. It's boring when everything is the same format. That's the thing with Big Brother as a whole, each international version has its own format. If you don't like one particular way of how the show is done, then don't watch it and watch the one you do like. If you watch BBUK because you love the premise of Big Brother then stop moaning when you already have two shows which run under the same format you like.

This BBUK vs. BBUS topic got tired prior to BB17 launching and you're just going to go on expecting.

[Daniel.]

Too much tea for this chick.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I've never said it would go down amazingly because I'm not deluded, but as I said to Troy, BBUK is on its last legs, the brink of another axe knowing C5, and they're constantly coming up with these messy new twists and meaningless themes to try and change up the show when there's a consistent and new one right in front of them that they could trial - so what's to lose? There isn't anything at this point

And if Love Island can hold I think two public votes the entire series that had any kind of direct impact on who left and still be just as if not more successful than BBUK then I don't see why we can't try it

OK regardless of whether it'd go down well, I don't think it's even necessary. This series is proof BB can still produce a great show and I'd put that mostly down to the good casting. The voting isn't a problem if the cast on a whole is a strong, so maybe that should be the focus going forward instead of shutting the public even further out?

And I don't think the Love Island comparisons are fair considering that is a new show in it's 2nd year, obviously people are gonna be more interested in that than something that has been on a decade and half.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yep nothing to lose apart from the 1million viewers of BB, the 3million viewers of CBB and the existence of the show itself

Who said their beloved CBB has to change? I couldn't give a crap what they do with that overrated and overexposed pile of ****e

The civilian series is on the brink of the axe anyway so if the last one trialed the US format and failed it makes no difference than if it goes on with another series of messy themes and ends anyway, except that I'd prefer it and you don't know what'll happen for sure whereas you do if they continue as they are

Originally Posted by Jason.

No what's stupid is you wasting your time on one format of a show which you don't favour and know won't change to suit your needs, yet you continue to stick with it and spend hours slating it on a forum (yes it's a BB forum etc etc). BBUK won't adopt the BBUS format. It's been under the same "inferior" format for 17 years now and it's not going to change when the British public are used to it by now - the same way BBUSA won't change its current format as it has been running under the same format for 16 years now.

You've got two shows for your favourite format. If you want gameplay and talk - watch BBUS and Can instead. It's not that hard. Why do you care so much about BBUK adopting a format which is already being used across two different international versions already?

You obviously favour one format more than the other and that's fine but you don't see other people who prefer the UK format forcing BBUSA/Can to go and adopt the BBUK format. It's boring when everything is the same format. That's the thing with Big Brother as a whole, each international version has its own format. If you don't like one particular way of how the show is done, then don't watch it and watch the one you do like. If you watch BBUK because you love the premise of Big Brother then stop moaning when you already have two shows which run under the same format you like.

This BBUK vs. BBUS topic got tired prior to BB17 launching and you're just going to go on expecting.

If you seriously expect me to give up watching a show I've been addicted to since I was ten years old when I won't even give up on a series of something once I'm a quarter of the way in, then you are mistaken. I don't give up on shows like other people do (and I find it really strange when people do but that's a different subject) and I'm certainly not about to with this one, I will watch it until its bitter end, like it or loathe it. That's how loyal I am to it

'Hours slating it' is a gross exaggeration but even so have you noticed how the only time I tend to end up in these kinds of discussion is when someone else makes yet another thread about it, or someone quotes or responds to one of my posts saying flippantly that we should adopt it? It's rare I incite one of these discussions because they've been done to death. I know full well it won't ever be adopted because the producers aren't that clever or innovative, but I'm still entitled to say that it should be. How about you tell the people who keep inciting these discussions to stop if you don't like them? The bottom line of it is that I know it won't be adopted but I'm still allowed to say that it should and if people don't like that they should either ignore it because they're fully aware of my stance by now, or respond and expect a reply. But of course it'll be me that's criticised cause that's the TiBB way

The answer to your second paragraph has been offered several times and is a really simple one for anyone to comprehend. I care because I prefer the format, why would I want to stick with just two versions using said format when I could have three - and one crucially that I could watch fellow Brits playing and apply for myself? It's such an illogical question

Actually there's been a few occasions over the last couple of seasons of BBCan where some people have said they should or wouldn't mind them adopting the BBUK format and I've obviously vehemently opposed such an argument, so that isn't entirely true.

This is a forum, a Big Brother one at that - and if I want to say that I think our version would be better off adopting another country's format, I'm more than entitled to do so. If you or others do not like the argument and don't want to see another discussion about it, don't respond because it's more often than not somebody else that sparks the debate. I post on here about various versions of Big Brother because I like Big Brother, I just happen to think one format is more superior than the other. That doesn't stop me still talking about the format we have now does it?

[Maru]

Speaking of switching formats, the US actually did try a BBUK-like version of Big Brother called Glass House. It was decent enough but CBS (Big Brother) tried to sue ABC and unfortunately it never took off.

The cast did exactly what they do on BBUSA though, tried to scheme, game-play and form alliances. As for who won...

Spoiler:

Naturally, the male eye candy won the series. He almost lost due to a bunny boiler though.

Format

The Glass House featured 14 strangers living in a house made of glass, with cameras recording their every move. At selected days and times, viewers can watch a live feed into the house. There are weekly eliminations, in which the public decides which of the contestants are eliminated from the game. Aside from choosing who is eliminated, viewers also dictate what the contestants wear, where they sleep and what they eat.[4] While in the house, the contestants will split into two groups and compete in various physical and mental competitions.[5] The captains of the two teams are the two contestants who have received the fewest number of votes from the public. After losing a challenge, the captain of the losing team is sent to limbo, along with a second member of that team which is voted on by the house. While in limbo, the public will vote which of the two contestants deserves to go back into the house and which one should permanently be eliminated from the game. The contestant with the fewest votes is eliminated, while the other will return to the house.[6][7][8] The contestants are spoken to by a robotic female voice, which they referred to as the "Oracle" up until Day 3, when it was revealed the public would decide the voice's name. After the airing of the first live feed, online blogs and forums labeled the voice "FaRi", a portmanteau of the words faux and Siri, the personal assistant found on Apple's iPhone 4S.[4][9]

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

OK regardless of whether it'd go down well, I don't think it's even necessary. This series is proof BB can still produce a great show and I'd put that mostly down to the good casting. The voting isn't a problem if the cast on a whole is a strong, so maybe that should be the focus going forward instead of shutting the public even further out?

And I don't think the Love Island comparisons are fair considering that is a new show in it's 2nd year, obviously people are gonna be more interested in that than something that has been on a decade and half.

I don't disagree with that (although a couple of the evictions this series did put a small dent in it that weren't necessary) but the thing is casts as good as these are extremely rare (especially on C5) and they're not going to strike gold in this manner every year which leaves us with the same problem we usually have - the voters destroying the series through the backwards format. If the casts were consistently this good and the public's eviction patterns weren't quite so moronic there's a chance we wouldn't actually be having this discussion right now, but unfortunately that isn't the case

And that is true but a common argument is that British people won't take to reality shows where there's no public votes or control, and I think Love Island is proof that that isn't entirely accurate

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

BBCan is still far, far better than anything BBUK is producing though

[azi]

I hope not, we have enough of that format.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Jack_

lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

They hardly have any huge rows on BBUS anymore because people don't want to compromise there place in the house. There's certain people who are never pulled up on about their behaviour because of their position in the house. The last series to have any notable drama was BB15.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I still think BBUK at it's peak is better than anything BBUS/BBCan has ever produced, and i think the current state of BBCan really isn't much better than BBUS. BBCan1 was a gem and 2 was pretty good too, but the switch to Global hasn't done the show any favors.

This! BB5 and 6 uk are probably not only the best seasons of big brother in any country I would go as far as to say they're on of the best examples of reality TV. And if BB13 and this series are anything to go by then it's clear that c5 can pull it off if they get a decent cast.

[Denver]

If this ever did happen they would lose a fan in me

[JTM45]

No.......it isn't.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JTM45

No.......it isn't.

Also I think there will be a flash vote on Friday to vote someone back and possibly someone else will be evicted...maybe the person who took the cash?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Greg!

That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

Tea?

[Amy Jade]

Jack there's no need for you to call peoples opinions stupid.

[dyfed]

While I was living in the states it was a known fact,USA bb is 100% fixed .

[StephenPullen]

Hopefully. Now we need a weekly HOH, POV and a full house voting system on eviction night.

[StephenPullen]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You can't really say it's better than BBUS if you've hardly watched it, but it definitely isn't better than BBCan

Both the US and the UK could learn a lot from Canada's world leading version

Everyone knows BBCAN is a filler show (something that people watch to pass the time before BBUS starts)...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

They hardly have any huge rows on BBUS anymore because people don't want to compromise there place in the house. There's certain people who are never pulled up on about their behaviour because of their position in the house. The last series to have any notable drama was BB15.

That's only because Grodner has created some convoluted twists in the last few seasons that restrict big moves being made and people not voting with the house. The pure format of BBUS can be a huge catalyst for drama, you only need to look at BB6, BB10, BB11 and BB15 in particular to see why. The producers are always looking for ways to get the housemates to turn on one another, target each other, do endless face to face noms, and yet here's a format which encompasses and encourages all of this and they ignore it!

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Jack there's no need for you to call peoples opinions stupid.

Then don't keep reciting an argument that's completely illogical and has been rebutted on several occasions to receive no coherent response?

[hot2go]

i avoid any American reality shows so I have no comparison but I do think British viewers are very different to American ones....if American CBB housemates are anything to go by then I would most def say stay as it is right now.