[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm an extremist for believing in a middle ground of peaceful coexistence, whilst you insist that the two options are either:

"no integration at all, put an end to multiculturalism"

or

"just submit to Sharia law!!!1!".

OK . You are the very definition of extremist.

Believing in "in a middle ground of peaceful coexistence" is a worthy ideal T.S. - one held by billions of aspirants since the 'year dot', but the reality is, that from that 'year dot' the human animal that is man has killed man by the billions.
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Most individual races cannot even 'peacefully coexist' with each other in their OWN native countries, and never have done, due to irrevocable differences in Religious and Political ideologies - among other things - and the sickening examples of 'man's inhumanity to man', which is a consequence of those irrevocable differences, are splashed across EVERY page of history in dark red blood.

I am bemused and slightly frightened by the very real fact, that so many people in this country either do not understand the meaning of the word 'Control', or they understand it but fear it.

There is NOTHING wrong or inhumane, or xenophobic, or racist in wanting to control immigration, because without control we have chaos - exactly what is occurring now throughout a lot of countries in the world, but more specifically in Europe and certainly across the Middle East.

Peaceful coexistence - like 'integration' - requires cooperation between all relevant parties, and there are some immigrants who do not want to integrate or peacefully coexist, but rather specifically have the aims of - usurpation and subjugation.

To deny this, is to absolutely deny reality; the reality which is splashed across the Front Pages of the World's press and across the world's TV screens - on an almost daily basis - every time another atrocity is broadcast where 'home grown' immigrant terrorists have murdered the innocent citizens of their adoptive countries in cold blood through extreme ideology.

Liberty4Eva's contention that 42% of French Muslims think suicide bombing is justified is not compatible with Western society is correct. How can such a murderous facet of extreme ideology be compatible in a civilised country?

Being correct, then she is also correct in proposing what a lot of us - who are NOT in a state of denial - already know to be a tenet; that, like a pandemic disease, the problem of terrorism due to raging Islamic Extremism cannot be eradicated overnight, but there are short term measures that we can employ to contain it and inhibit its spread, and that is Immigration control.

That is; 'CONTROL' - not total ban T.S.

Control - limiting the numbers of immigrants. More rigorous vetting of immigrants. Actual implementation of the existing Immigration Laws which we already have - something, alas, which is scandalously neglected by the authorities.

Control - not murder, chaos and anarchy.