[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's just such a wrong and contradictory thing in prejudicing against non faith/religion and yet a part of it being, teaching non-belief of religion as well as an option...(although some schools will teach religion itself in different ways, wherever the school, in the UK as well etc..)...the placings themselves, seem to be the abuse of power given to bishops in schools../maybe not all of them..?...but many of them..?...

Yeah very much so Ammi

This is a good website too if you're interested

http://www.teachdontpreach.ie/2016/0...state-funding/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah very much so Ammi

This is a good website too if you're interested

http://www.teachdontpreach.ie/2016/0...state-funding/

...yeah, I'm getting on my high horse a bit about this so I'll go off and read that now as well, thank you....I'm checking a few sites out atm..(not that any of them differ in their explanations of the Irish school structure ..)...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I'm getting on my high horse a bit about this so I'll go off and read that now as well, thank you....I'm checking a few sites out atm..(not that any of them differ in their explanations of the Irish school structure ..)...

haha same......I think I need to spend the rest of the day in Chat and Games

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No offense here Jaxie but I'm truly shocked everytime a British person makes a comment like that The lack of understanding you seem to have about North/South Ireland is baffling. You know the North and South isn't a religious feud. We weren't fighting between eachother to convert eachother or whatever. The reason why so many Protestants in Northern ireland want to stay within the UK is because they were mostly originally from there as that's the most prominent religion in Britain and the reason why most nationalists are catholic is because they were probably mostly originally irish as that was the most prominent religion in Ireland.

have no doubt that Ireland splitting in two and the IRA forming and all the troubles up there, is because Britain invaded our country and when they decided to give it back eventually, split it in two for some reason......it almost seems like it's been pawned off to Irish fighting amongst eachother in some religious war instead of what it actually was, Nationalists wanting Ireland to be one again and Unionists wanting to be British (because they mostly were from Britain anyway originally)

All religion had to do with it really was a way of identifying where your allegiances lay (ie Irish(catholic) V's British(Protestant)

I have friends in both areas. I was wondering if the changing of attitudes continues 'change' of itself might make people start to come together one day. I know it's a loyalist and republican issue rather than a religious one though some superstition doesn't seem to have helped or has been used an excuse.

Though I think the British are at least partially ignorant about the problems as I think a lot was withheld through reporting restrictions etc.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have friends in both areas. I was wondering if the changing of attitudes continues 'change' of itself might make people start to come together one day. I know it's a loyalist and republican issue rather than a religious one though some superstition doesn't seem to have helped or has been used an excuse.

Though I think the British are at least partially ignorant about the problems as I think a lot was withheld through reporting restrictions etc.

I don't think so really. What it boils down to now is whether those in Northern Ireland want to move out of the UK and join, which is now as so much time has passed, a "new" country. I can't see Ireland ever being unified now, too much water under the bridge and time passing, that ship has long sailed unfortunately

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think so really. What it boils down to now is whether those in Northern Ireland want to move out of the UK and join, which is now as so much time has passed, a "new" country. I can't see Ireland ever being unified now, too much water under the bridge and time passing, that ship has long sailed unfortunately

I think that's a shame, is it weird for an English person to say that?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think that's a shame, is it weird for an English person to say that?

I think alot of English people don't care one way or the other but you rarely hear them saying its a shame no but it is a shame

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think alot of English people don't care one way or the other but you rarely hear them saying its a shame no but it is a shame

It just seems to me unnatural to have an island cut in half. Though if the SNP get their way it could happen to this island too!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It just seems to me unnatural to have an island cut in half. Though if the SNP get their way it could happen to this island too!

Scotland was always a country of it's own though so I'm not sure that's exactly the same but interesting POV on it anyway

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have friends in both areas. I was wondering if the changing of attitudes continues 'change' of itself might make people start to come together one day. I know it's a loyalist and republican issue rather than a religious one though some superstition doesn't seem to have helped or has been used an excuse.

Though I think the British are at least partially ignorant about the problems as I think a lot was withheld through reporting restrictions etc.

What superstition is this? People in the North feel British or Irish, it has never been a religious conflict, the media have always reported it as Catholic/Protestant which waters it down to something more palatable maybe

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Scotland was always a country of it's own though so I'm not sure that's exactly the same but interesting POV on it anyway

Well yes but many hundreds of years ago, it's been part of GB through my lifetime and I think of it that way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to see a united Ireland


Then we could tow it off into the atlantic a bit as its way, way too close

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What superstition is this? People in the North feel British or Irish, it has never been a religious conflict, the media have always reported it as Catholic/Protestant which waters it down to something more palatable maybe

Maybe superstition isn't the best word, emnity might be better but that doesn't cover the impression entirely either.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well yes but many hundreds of years ago, it's been part of GB through my lifetime and I think of it that way.

fair enough

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id like to see a united Ireland


Then we could tow it off into the atlantic a bit as its way, way too close

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

A debate is fine but as usual it we ends into the usual whitewash that religious types are ignorant nutter and need to be told as much

Not at all, ' If you're not for us you're against us' that's how I see it, because that's how it is.
If you are of one faith you can't advocate another because it is fundamentally 'wrong' ... that's how it is religion, intolerant.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not at all, ' If you're not for us you're against us' that's how I see it, because that's how it is.
If you are of one faith you can't advocate another because it is fundamentally 'wrong' ... that's how it is religion, intolerant.

Untrue mass generalization

[Marsh.]

It's always the atheists that are the experts on religion around here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's always the atheists that are the experts on religion around here.

Usually because they have thought about it and investigated it more

hence the reason they do not believe in gods


But remember that even the ones who say they have a "faith" are atheist to 99.9% of all other gods

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Usually because they have thought about it and investigated it more

hence the reason they do not believe in gods

And yet religious people have the reputation of arrogance.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But remember that even the ones who say they have a "faith" are atheist to 99.9% of all other gods

I wish I could speak on behalf of billions of people like that.

What magical powers you have.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And yet religious people have the reputation of arrogance.



I wish I could speak on behalf of billions of people like that.

What magical powers you have.

How do you know religious people have that reputation?


and what evidence do you have that Christians, Muslims, Hindus or Jews (for example) believe in other gods as well as their own?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How do you know religious people have that reputation?


and what evidence do you have that Christians, Muslims, Hindus or Jews (for example) believe in other gods as well as their own?

How does anyone what reputation anyone has? The way they're spoken about and referred to. Obviously.

Well considering there are many more religions in the world, all of which breakdown into several different branches of those religions, how DO YOU make the assumption that 99% of them are "atheists to other religions"?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's always the atheists that are the experts on religion around here.

Who said they were an expert?

All I can tell you is that I, being me, myself, don't believe in fairies, father Christmas or some guy who lives in the sky and drowns billions of people who didn't get a ticket on his custom boat. Everyone else can do what they like.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Who said they were an expert?

I just did and you quoted it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How does anyone what reputation anyone has? The way they're spoken about and referred to. Obviously.

Well considering there are many more religions in the world, all of which breakdown into several different branches of those religions, how DO YOU make the assumption that 99% of them are "atheists to other religions"?

I have never heard of any one from the religions I quoted who believe in other gods

one of the basic tenants of these religions is

"you cant belive in any other gods as this god is the one true god"

this they are atheist to all other gods

Someone like me is the same as them but i just go one god further