[Kizzy]

Let's not forget that this petition was set up by a brexit supporter

Spoiler:

It led to the vote on monday.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not forget that this petition was set up by a brexit supporter

Spoiler:

It led to the vote on monday.

Or that most of the signatures were faked. The point is you said there wouldn't be any debates, there are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Or that most of the signatures were faked. The point is you said there wouldn't be any debates, there are.

this isn't a bebate on brexit it's to decide whether or not to hold another referendum.... Which of course can't and won't happen.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

this isn't a bebate on brexit it's to decide whether or not to hold another referendum.... Which of course can't and won't happen.

Now you're nitpicking. What else is there to debate?

Well I suppose we could debate why some people want to be part of a corrupt, failing superstate rather than an independent country. But since that is the minority not much point.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can try and bypass parliament if they wish, but it will set a precedent that I am sure no right minded MP would support. It would spell the end of democracy and place us in similar waters to some of our more exotic eastern european neighbours

I agree totally.
A growing number in the Conservative party will not be happy if Parliament is not consulted.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Now you're nitpicking. What else is there to debate?

Well I suppose we could debate why some people want to be part of a corrupt, failing superstate rather than an independent country. But since that is the minority not much point.

Nope not nitpicking, that is part of due process in a referendum, democratic process.

If you want to be part of an autocracy then fine, I don't.

[Kizzy]

Still happy?...

Ideas suggested by the PM this weekend to keep Britain afloat in a post-Brexit world include closer ties with China, the summit’s host country.

“This is a golden era for UK-China relations and one of the things I will be doing at the G20 is obviously talking to President Xi about how we can develop the strategic partnership that we have between the UK and China,” she said as she boarded her RAF Voyager plane to the summit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7224306.html

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So when you lose at snakes and ladders do you March through your house 3 months later?



Get real

There's a difference between snakes and ladders and a life changing decision.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Still happy?...

Ideas suggested by the PM this weekend to keep Britain afloat in a post-Brexit world include closer ties with China, the summit’s host country.

“This is a golden era for UK-China relations and one of the things I will be doing at the G20 is obviously talking to President Xi about how we can develop the strategic partnership that we have between the UK and China,” she said as she boarded her RAF Voyager plane to the summit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7224306.html

And the EU is run by Germany who have a terrifying history and have brought the world to war twice. Ironically to gain the purchase over Europe they now have with the EU. You can't quibble about China if you want to cuddle up to Germany.

[Ammi]

...this is not a football match or any such similar...there are no winning or losing sides...if we lose, then we all lose and if there are any 'wins' then we all win/no matter which way we voted...and there are no sour grapes either because if the grapes turn sour then they turn sour for all of us and all of our children...this referendum hasn't produced a result/a voice of a country, all it's produced is a divide of a country and how can a divide ever take us into something better.../divided we fall...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is not a football match or any such similar...there are no winning or losing sides...if we lose, then we all lose and if there are any 'wins' then we all win/no matter which way we voted...and there are no sour grapes either because if the grapes turn sour then they turn sour for all of us and all of our children...this referendum hasn't produced a result/a voice of a country, all it's produced is a divide of a country and how can a divide ever take us into something better.../divided we fall...

That is absolutely spot on.

The only thing I will add to this debate is that marches and protests are in fact a democratic right in a democratic Nation and it is odd how they are dismissed and stated as wrong because they are against what others think and get.

Any march or protest from legitimate citizens and voters should be newsworthy, no matter what it is about.

For sure I dare bet all I had, that if this had been a 3.8% majority vote to 'remain', there would have been protests and marches for a 2nd referendum from the 'leave' side, who have actually been moaning now for over 20 years at least.

I have had abuse off here for voting remain,that is fine, however if anyone gets really nasty I will take it to the Police.
To ignore this very narrow result indeed and 2 Nations of the UK voting to remain as well as 2 voting to leave,then at the same time to ignore the really bad divisions this referendum has created across the Nation, would be very unwise to say the very least.

All opinion should be newsworthy and when people feel strongly enough to march in the streets too, that should be reported.
Had there been any trouble or smashing of windows, you can bet your life there would have been reporting of it then, and then we'd get the opinionated hardliners jumping in saying they were 'all' thugs.

Funny how some only see democratic rights for people, when it is on issues they agree with.
I would have for sure expected to see marches calling for a 2nd referendum had this been 3.8% the other way,indeed Nigel Farage himself stated there would be a great call for another referendum in that event.
I maybe wouldn't have agreed with the idea but would have certainly defended their right to do the march and also that it should be considered a news item too.

The media is there to report what goes on in the Country and World,it should not be selective as to events and the odd couple of minutes on the news is hardly time consuming.
Especially when you look at some items included which are called news, which are far from being so.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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That is absolutely spot on.

The only thing I will add to this debate is that marches and protests are in fact a democratic right in a democratic Nation and it is odd how they are dismissed and stated as wrong because they are against what others think and get.

Any march or protest from legitimate citizens and voters should be newsworthy, no matter what it is about.

For sure I dare bet all I had, that if this had been a 3.8% majority vote to 'remain', there would have been protests and marches for a 2nd referendum from the 'leave' side, who have actually been moaning now for over 20 years at least.

I have had abuse off here for voting remain,that is fine, however if anyone gets really nasty I will take it to the Police.
To ignore this very narrow result indeed and 2 Nations of the UK voting to remain as well as 2 voting to leave,then at the same time to ignore the really bad divisions this referendum has created across the Nation, would be very unwise to say the very least.

All opinion should be newsworthy and when people feel strongly enough to march in the streets too, that should be reported.
Had there been any trouble or smashing of windows, you can bet your life there would have been reporting of it then, and then we'd get the opinionated hardliners jumping in saying they were 'all' thugs.

Funny how some only see democratic rights for people, when it is on issues they agree with.
I would have for sure expected to see marches calling for a 2nd referendum had this been 3.8% the other way,indeed Nigel Farage himself stated there would be a great call for another referendum in that event.
I maybe wouldn't have agreed with the idea but would have certainly defended their right to do the march and also that it should be considered a news item too.

The media is there to report what goes on in the Country and World,it should be selective as to events and the odd couple of minutes on the news is hardly time consuming.
Especially when you look at some items included which are called news, which are far from being so.

But no one has said anything about people not being allowed to protest and it was covered quite extensively by the media.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is not a football match or any such similar...there are no winning or losing sides...if we lose, then we all lose and if there are any 'wins' then we all win/no matter which way we voted...and there are no sour grapes either because if the grapes turn sour then they turn sour for all of us and all of our children...this referendum hasn't produced a result/a voice of a country, all it's produced is a divide of a country and how can a divide ever take us into something better.../divided we fall...

There has always been a divide over the EU which is why it took so long to get a referendum. The establishment feared the outcome.

[bots]

i don't think many, if any are disputing the outcome of the referendum, they just want due process followed ... thats my feelings on it anyway. We are going to be out of the EU, now lets get the deal that best suits all in our country

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

But no one has said anything about people not being allowed to protest and it was covered quite extensively by the media.

Not really, it was very patchy as to any references to it originally.

It has been moreso much later but this thread is actually about protests being newsworthy and how the media conveniently avoids certain issues as to the news.
Even comments on here are saying protest marches are regular and if all were on the news, there would be room for little else.
I disagree, we have 24 hour news channels and that should mean all events are well covered and addressed, whatever they are about.

You can bet your life, there would not only be solid reporting of any protests had this been the other way but likely interviews and debates on the issue too.
I'd like to see the balance honoured whichever way it had gone.

The right to try to influence govt. and air any grievances people have as to how things are going or have gone, is just that a right.
Even if no one, as in this govt, and indeed the Labour govt in 1978/9 does in refusing to use their ears to listen.

Anyhow, I have not put any of my points on this on this thread until now, so when I acknowledged Ammi's point, I then chose to add my first contribution to this thread's topic then.
Which as a member on here is actually my right too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not really, it was very patchy as to any references to it originally.

It has been moreso much later but this thread is actually about protests being newsworthy and how the media conveniently avoids certain issues as to the news.
Even comments on here are saying protest marches are regular and if all were on the news, there would be room for little else.
I disagree, we have 24 hour news channels and that should mean all events are well covered and addressed, whatever they are about.

You can bet your life, there would not only be solid reporting of any protests had this been the other way but likely interviews and debates on the issue too.
I'd like to see the balance honoured whichever way it had gone.

The right to try to influence govt. and air any grievances people have as to how things are going or have gone, is just that a right.
Even if no one, as in this govt, and indeed the Labour govt in 1978/9 does in refusing to use their ears to listen.

Anyhow, I have not put any of my points on this on this thread until now, so when I acknowledged Ammi's point, I then chose to add my first contribution to this thread's topic then.
Which as a member on here is actually my right too.

Again I have to say that no one has said you shouldn't post on the thread. I'm not sure where you got that impression from.

I think that people who feel upset that we didn't remain are perhaps conspiracy theorising a bit. The thread dramatically states media blackout but it wasn't. I feel like there are some elements of looking to be hard done by. I don't mean anyone in particular when I say that but there is a flavour of it whenever Brexit comes up. I'm pretty sure the coverage would have been the same regardless of which perspective people were coming from and actually was because there also a counter demonstration by leavers at same time and that didn't get any more major coverage either.

I think people need to stop looking for rejection where it isn't as that doesn't help anyone but don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

[_Tom_]

Unlike the protestors who want to dismiss a democratic vote, no-one is saying they cannot "march for Europe" - they can do as they like but that doesn't stop us from laughing at them.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't think many, if any are disputing the outcome of the referendum, they just want due process followed ... thats my feelings on it anyway. We are going to be out of the EU, now lets get the deal that best suits all in our country

Isn't due process being followed according to the law? I think there would be some pretty fast legal challenges if it were not.

Plus there has been a month off for Summer so not much happening in public during that so a bit unfair to say that things have or not been done during that. Let's at least wait until things start going before the condemnation.

As to leaving tbh I do wonder if we should be striking a deal at all. The EU seems to want to make an example of us so I'd be inclined to part ways, make them pay their tariffs and pursue my own free trade club with anyone I want to. They don't have the exclusivity on free trade deals. There are many countries who manage just fine without the free market access.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not really, it was very patchy as to any references to it originally.

It has been moreso much later but this thread is actually about protests being newsworthy and how the media conveniently avoids certain issues as to the news.
Even comments on here are saying protest marches are regular and if all were on the news, there would be room for little else.
I disagree, we have 24 hour news channels and that should mean all events are well covered and addressed, whatever they are about.

You can bet your life, there would not only be solid reporting of any protests had this been the other way but likely interviews and debates on the issue too.
I'd like to see the balance honoured whichever way it had gone.

The right to try to influence govt. and air any grievances people have as to how things are going or have gone, is just that a right.
Even if no one, as in this govt, and indeed the Labour govt in 1978/9 does in refusing to use their ears to listen.

Anyhow, I have not put any of my points on this on this thread until now, so when I acknowledged Ammi's point, I then chose to add my first contribution to this thread's topic then.
Which as a member on here is actually my right too.

wheres the marches for the 25,000 people who die in biritsh hospitals every year from undiagnosed blood clots they pick up in hospitals?

these issues arent sexy enough for attention seekers

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

wheres the marches for the 25,000 people who die in biritsh hospitals every year from undiagnosed blood clots they pick up in hospitals?

these issues arent sexy enough for attention seekers

If you feel strongly enough and have the time, maybe you, with your passion for this, should be someone who could start one for that.
It would be a valid cause to stand against and maybe help to ensure more NHS efficiency, if anyone listened from the NHS and the govt that is.

I would plan a march for something I felt really strongly about for sure, and have been on a few in the past too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and not to mention the disruption to business and traffic that these mindless idiots cause

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

And the EU is run by Germany who have a terrifying history and have brought the world to war twice. Ironically to gain the purchase over Europe they now have with the EU. You can't quibble about China if you want to cuddle up to Germany.

Let's talk historical human rights offences... let's also talk about modern day human rights offences and see which country has progressed on those.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

But no one has said anything about people not being allowed to protest and it was covered quite extensively by the media.

It was not covered extensively by the media on the day nor was it a 'hit' on google on the day.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Again I have to say that no one has said you shouldn't post on the thread. I'm not sure where you got that impression from.

I think that people who feel upset that we didn't remain are perhaps conspiracy theorising a bit. The thread dramatically states media blackout but it wasn't. I feel like there are some elements of looking to be hard done by. I don't mean anyone in particular when I say that but there is a flavour of it whenever Brexit comes up. I'm pretty sure the coverage would have been the same regardless of which perspective people were coming from and actually was because there also a counter demonstration by leavers at same time and that didn't get any more major coverage either.

I think people need to stop looking for rejection where it isn't as that doesn't help anyone but don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

I started the thread and media blackout was the reason so it's clear you mean me here, the coverage would not have been the same for any other protest... when tens of thousands gather there is usually a media presence but there was very little on the day untill approx 6pm.

You may think that those protesting are wanting to halt brexit or have a new referendum and yes some might, however as stated earlier the main issue is the diversion from due process which is anti democratic and an example of the govt behaving autonomously, something that should have people out in the streets demonstrating about. Instead it is glossed over, effectively buried amid other news and distractions.

[MTVN]

I'd say it was given fair coverage. I was driving home from work Saturday evening and it was featured on Radio 2's 6 o clock news and thats a 1 minute slot which only features 4 or 5 headlines. Its pretty common that protests are only given prominent coverage later on when its more clear how many were involved, what the circumstances were etc.