[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I actually think we in the UK had a lot to do with the fall of Gaddafi and what then ensued in Libya.

Anyway, she was not a leader of the USA at the time of Iraq and as a Senator, along with many other Senators too of both USA parties, she was just one other vote.

Just as all the MPs in the UK, of all Parties except the Lib Dems also supported action in Iraq here.

You keep saying she did all this, she was 'not' the President, she was not the Senate or the House of representatives.
She was only supporting a motion put forward by the president,

Whatever was done would need the sanctioning of said president/s of the times, not herself, and it would need the approval of the 2 houses too, with loads more voting the same way as she did.

I know you appear to have a thing against women at times but many other Senators supported all that was done, not just Hillary, and the then presidents of the USA too.
Along with other Countries too such as France as to Libya.

You are being selective, and really in part blaming the wrong person totally for it all,just to suit your odd argument at times, the buck stops with the presidents and Prime Ministers of Countries who support any action anywhere and who indeed propose it too.
Asking their MPs or Senators to support their plans.

Last time I checked, I found nothing wrong with people being rich either, most Presidents and their families end up rich as generally our UK PMs do too.
Rather a bit of a red herring that one to me.

I was waiting for you to play the sexist card, shame on you
where is the woman card for the 500,000 women killed in the iraq invasion and many more killed in hilarys other invasions

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

I was waiting for you to play the sexist card, shame on you
where is the woman card for the 500,000 women killed in the iraq invasion and many more killed in hilarys other invasions

No shame at all,and not playing the sexist card either, you are at times rather harder on Women than others with full respect.

In fact here on this issue,you are the only one blaming one woman for millions being killed while sidestepping the fact it was Male PMs and male Presidents who proposed the action in the first place, not her.

Perhaps had you laid the blame at the door of the actual leaders of the nations, rather than just one woman Senator of the time, the picture would have been very different.

Had she never been Secretary of State in the USA, and never even been a senator, the actions and deaths you claim to hold 'only' her,(a Woman),responsible for, would still have happened, as all the same action would still have been taken with or without Hillary Clinton's one solitary vote.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No shame at all,and not playing the sexist card either, you are at times rather harder on Women than others with full respect.

In fact her on this issue,you are the only one blaming one woman for millions being killed while sidestepping the fact it was Male PMs and male Presidents who proposed the action in the first place, not her.

Perhaps had you laid the blame at the door of the actual leaders of the nations, rather than just one woman Senator of the time, the picture would have been very different.

Had she never been Secretary of State in the USA, and never even been a senator, the actions and deaths you claim to hold 'only' her,(a Woman),responsible for, would still have happened, as all the same action would still have been taken with or without Hillary Clinton's one solitary vote.

Youre telling lies now as well as slandering me, pretty shameful
I never ever said everything was down to her, being a woman is 100% irrelevant ....shes been a disastrous secretary of state overseeing the collapse of the middle east and she voted to blow up iraq illegally. she is responsible for that along with tony bliar and warmonger bush and many other politicians whom I have absolutely slaughtered on here for years. which of course blows you lie about gender bias out of the water. hillary is also a warmonger.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Youre telling lies now as well as slandering me, pretty shameful
I never ever said everything was down to her, being a woman is 100% irrelevant ....shes been a disastrous secretary of state overseeing the collapse of the middle east and she voted to blow up iraq illegally. she is responsible for that along with tony bliar and warmonger bush and many other politicians whom I have absolutely slaughtered on here for years. which of course blows you lie about gender bias out of the water. hillary is also a warmonger.

All your posts on here, there for all to read,you have only stated that 'she',Hillary Clinton, is responsible for a million deaths, for Libya and even Iraq.
You say not a single thing as to anyone else being involved in those decisions and actions.
You only state she is.

Only in the post above have you added the more important names,of the actual leaders who were the ones responsible for the actions taken.
I agree you have slaughtered them at other times on tibb but not on this thread, you only blame her.

Not even all the other MPs, the other Senators, the others in the House of representatives that voted in the action to be taken.
To hold Hillary Clinton responsible for the action and any deaths, is a disservice and to then sidestep all those other hundreds, yes hundreds,( even just here in our Parliament there were hundreds in support), of people who supported said action,I feel was a misrepresentation and wrong.

Your last post above has balanced more the point you were making and I agree with that latest post far more.
It is however the first such more open post on this whole thread.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

All your posts on here, there for all to read,you have only stated that 'she',Hillary Clinton, is responsible for a million deaths, for Libya and even Iraq.
You say not a single thing as to anyone else being involved in those decisions and actions.
You only state she is.

Only in the post above have you added the more important names,of the actual leaders who were the ones responsible for the actions taken.
I agree you have slaughtered them at other times on tibb but not on this thread, you only blame her.

Not even all the other MPs, the other Senators, the others in the House of representatives that voted in the action to be taken.
To hold Hillary Clinton responsible for the action and any deaths, is a disservice and to then sidestep all those other hundreds, yes hundreds,( even just here in our Parliament there were hundreds in support), of people who supported said action,I feel was a misrepresentation and wrong.

Your last post above has balanced more the point you were making and I agree with that latest post far more.
It is however the first such more open post on this whole thread.

theyre all warmongers, period. as far a sim concerned anyone who voted for the illegal bombing of iraq should be barred from pub lic office for life and stand trial for war crimes. it beggars belief that after making such a decision she then became secretary of state...further she was disastrous in the role...now we get the loony left telling us were only picking on her because shes a woman.? she is a dreadful person with an horrific past. worse still she wants to keep pushing imperialism in the middle east

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by the truth

Youre telling lies now as well as slandering me, pretty shameful
I never ever said everything was down to her, being a woman is 100% irrelevant...

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Originally Posted by the truth

most of hilarys fans love a warmonger who has directly been responsible for the brutual killings of over 1 million innocent people. that means most of her fans support brutal murder

Originally Posted by the truth

she blew up iraq which killed over 1 million innocent people. those are the real victims of this warmonger

she = singular... there is no we in she

the_truth, if you didn't intend to say it was only her that led to these things, you may want to go back on your wording....for example, "she aided or "contributed" may have been better... your original statements do sound like you are blaming her directly as you put it...