[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jason.

She was hated back in 2006 and she did CBB during a time when her claim to fame was Page 3, shagging numerous men, selling kiss and tells and her feud with Jordan (who was increasing in popularity at the time) all of which didn't really help win her any points with the public either so she was doomed from the start, especially in a VTE given mainly females vote on the show. Oh and she's a woman comfortable with her sexuality.

It's funny actually cause if she did CBB ten years later on C5, she'd probably win or make the final and she would've been seen as a victim and rightly so because she was treated appallingly.

..I'm not sure that she would have done so much better later, Jason...I think that maybe she would have got further and not been evicted so early but I'm just not sure about being in the final just because, it seems still that same thing with female housemates to a large degree..females are judged so harshly on things like 'crude' in their terminology but males like Jay MacKray for instance, just aren't in the same way...she was always fairly open and outspoken and she was fairly much judged on her controversial image before she went in so was always inevitably going to be the first voted out.../how she was treated was awful and I recall wanting to scream at the TV at times...that really was my judgement of George and Michael from those early days that I found hard to get beyond and couldn't believe that Michael did so well.../a really horrid man....

[Ammi]

...but yeah, I liked Jodie when she was in, she had a real vulnerability about her...and all I had known before was media type stuff...

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not sure that she would have done so much better later, Jason...I think that maybe she would have got further and not been evicted so early but I'm just not sure about being in the final just because, it seems still that same thing with female housemates to a large degree..females are judged so harshly on things like 'crude' in their terminology but males like Jay MacKray for instance, just aren't in the same way...she was always fairly open and outspoken and she was fairly much judged on her controversial image before she went in so was always inevitably going to be the first voted out.../how she was treated was awful and I recall wanting to scream at the TV at times...that really was my judgement of George and Michael from those early days that I found hard to get beyond and couldn't believe that Michael did so well.../a really horrid man....

I think with it being a VTS on C5 CBB coupled with the fact that she's quite a well-known name by CBB standards, isn't as unpopular as she was a decade ago and the obligatory sympathy vote she'd get nowadays for her treatment, she could've easily made the final imo. Whether she would've won or not depends on who else was in the final. Though I do agree with what you're saying - women always get the short straw of things on BB and it's even worse in civilian BB where it's a VTE.

I think the best C5 comparison would be Alicia Douvall in CBB15 who went in to boos and was hated for pretty much the same reason Jodie was when she entered but she was then picked on by KH/Cami/Michelle the same way Jodie was with Michael/George/Pete and she ended up surviving that first eviction despite being favourite to be evicted first on launch night and people grew to like her by the time she was evicted and she left to cheers. The only difference is Alicia isn't as well-known of a name as Jodie is so she didn't have that pre-existing fanbase to carry her further.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I think with it being a VTS on C5 CBB coupled with the fact that she's quite a well-known name by CBB standards, isn't as unpopular as she was a decade ago and the obligatory sympathy vote she'd get nowadays for her treatment, she could've easily made the final imo. Whether she would've won or not depends on who else was in the final. Though I do agree with what you're saying - women always get the short straw of things on BB and it's even worse in civilian BB where it's a VTE.

I think the best C5 comparison would be Alicia Douvall in CBB15 who went in to boos and was hated for pretty much the same reason Jodie was when she entered but she was then picked on by KH/Cami/Michelle the same way Jodie was with Michael/George/Pete and she ended up surviving that first eviction despite being favourite to be evicted first on launch night and people grew to like her by the time she was evicted and she left to cheers. The only difference is Alicia isn't as well-known of a name as Jodie is so she didn't have that pre-existing fanbase to carry her further.

..yeah I do totally get what you're saying, Jason..I hadn't factored in the VTS...that's interesting as well though to use Alicia as a comparison..(and I think another 'female housemate' thing largely...that however bad the behaviour toward them, so often housemates are not seen as the victim unless their character shows a vulnerability in some way...that they have to 'appear victim' as well in their personality, which is often not the case but doesn't change the awful behaviour toward them...Jodie Marsh I don't think would have been perceived as 'a victim' but very much someone who could handle herself, so does that make it perceived as less bullying..?...whereas, Alicia did have more of a vulnerability about her so it was seen more...so that's interesting as well, don't you think..?...I'm trying to think of a 'perceived fragile or vulnerable male' housemate and the only one I can think of atm..(although not celebrity BB..)...would be Freddie with Bea....