[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah because other than this vid and conversation, he's fairly much showed himself to have so many admirable qualities to balance his whole character over time so it doesn't really matter about the bantz/LADZ......Kirk you're an ever believer in people and seeing the best in them.......

Nowhere on any thread on this forum have I ever supported Donald Trump. Neither have I supported Hilary Clinton, but that's another post.

All I was doing in my post which you kindly responded to Ammi, was pointing out that this 11 year old 'scoop' is nothing to get worked up about, because - apart from the fact that it has been 'conveniently and selectively edited - it tells us nothing about Trump that we did not already know.

I was not defending Trump in the slightest, when I claimed that his 'Locker Room' banter was typical of most other males at some point in their lives, because it is true. Most men HAVE and DO still indulge in that type of talk about women when they are with other men.

I was not defending Trump in the slightest when I claimed that what he said about 'Stars', ie; rich and powerful and famous men, being able to do anything they want to to (certain) women, ie; the type of American women who move in such men's circles HOPING to bolster their own ambitions to be rich, powerful or famous, or even 'snare' such men and marry them, because it is perfectly true - such men CAN do such things to such WOMEN.

From the Hollywood 'casting couches' of the 20's onwards, to late nights having to "work with the boss in the office dear", such women HAVE always prostituted their principles with rich, powerful, famous men, for personal ambition.

'Snatch' grabbing, is NOTHING out of the ordinary when it comes to what is deemed 'acceptable by such types of people - as disgusting as it may be to some other types of people to actually hear this said.

I strongly believe that sycophantic Billy Bush DID lead Trump on, and DID attempt to curry favour and ingratiate himself by stoking Trump's ego and encouraging him to boast.

And I do believe that Trump was raconteuring and 'playing to the gallery' more than actually and honestly relating his current true M.O. when it comes to women.

I will repeat, that in my opinion, there is NOTHING wrong in a man of any age being ATTRACTED to beautiful women - I am 'past my sell by date' but to my dying day, a beautiful woman will ALWAYS take my eye - and Trump is older than me at 70 years old, so whilst he may still be attracted to 'beautiful women', I very much doubt that his sexual appetite has remained the same as it was even 11 years ago, so being 'attracted' and wanting to go further than that attraction, are two very different things.

If you re-read my original post, you will clearly see that I was NOT excusing Trump, I was indicting him, but also indicting Billy Bush.

I was, however, stating the TRUTH as I see it, like I ALWAYS do.

This 'scoop' is 11 years old.
It has been edited.
It tells us nothing new.
Trumps conduct and body language with Arianne is impeccable and in direct contrast to the sexist 'Locker Room' boasting exhibited earlier.

As I said earlier, there are many reasons why Trump should not be President (as there are reasons why Hilary Clinton should not be) but using this video and claiming it as one of them is 'reaching' - In my opinion, of course.