[Niamh.]

We'll have to do the Amanda Knox case next girls

[Ammi]

...I found this site with some of the questioning of Chris Morgan and Brian Holland.../it's all I could find...


http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/cm_bh_opd_report.html


...I was thinking though about the polygraphs in general..and I read on one of the sites that it was unusual for a small town like that to have a polygraph but they had been given it on a previous occasion and no one was really trained fully in using it I don't think....or it could have been a dodgy machine and that's why they were given it.....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We'll have to do the Amanda Knox case next girls

.....hmmmmm, well funny you should say that because this is one I've been looking to watch as well in the last few days......


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2380247/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....hmmmmm, well funny you should say that because this is one I've been looking to watch as well in the last few days......


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2380247/

Oh that looks interesting and atleast we'll know who actually did it at the end of that one. This not knowing the answer is killing me

If you get time you should watch some of this Ammi. Jason seems like such a good guy, I just can't believe he did it. I was thinking also, he says here that just before he got arrested he'd finsihed school for good and he was due to start work bagging groceries at a local shop. I know this sounds awful if he's not guilty but he came from a pretty poor, trailer trashy background and he probably would never have gotten as well educated had he not gone to prison and taken all them classes and gotten some decent work experience in there

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We'll have to do the Amanda Knox case next girls

innocent queen

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I found this site with some of the questioning of Chris Morgan and Brian Holland.../it's all I could find...


http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/cm_bh_opd_report.html


...I was thinking though about the polygraphs in general..and I read on one of the sites that it was unusual for a small town like that to have a polygraph but they had been given it on a previous occasion and no one was really trained fully in using it I don't think....or it could have been a dodgy machine and that's why they were given it.....

imo those two, Terry Hobbs, John Mark byers all could be guilty but there's just not enough to go forward and charge any of them. There's the hair from Terry but even that, I mean it's a hair, I reckon if you checked any of my kids they'd probably have a hair of mine on them somewhere too, they get everywhere, it doesn't prove that he was actually there when they were murdered imo

Just reading through the interviews with Holland and Morgan though, they sound so dodgy :/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

innocent queen

I actually haven't really read up on much of that case

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh that looks interesting and atleast we'll know who actually did it at the end of that one. This not knowing the answer is killing me

If you get time you should watch some of this Ammi. Jason seems like such a good guy, I just can't believe he did it. I was thinking also, he says here that just before he got arrested he'd finsihed school for good and he was due to start work bagging groceries at a local shop. I know this sounds awful if he's not guilty but he came from a pretty poor, trailer trashy background and he probably would never have gotten as well educated had he not gone to prison and taken all them classes and gotten some decent work experience in there

Youtube video

Originally Posted by Niamh.

imo those two, Terry Hobbs, John Mark byers all could be guilty but there's just not enough to go forward and charge any of them. There's the hair from Terry but even that, I mean it's a hair, I reckon if you checked any of my kids they'd probably have a hair of mine on them somewhere too, they get everywhere, it doesn't prove that he was actually there when they were murdered imo

....yeah, I think especially after West Memphis, more so than anything else..Jason, Damien and Jessie felt almost the least guilty in a way, in that their lives seemed the least worrying than many others...there was a lot of mental illnesses in the town it would seem so many people on medication or in drug use at the time...and all of that is said to have effects on the lie detector as well, so I'm starting to take no store in that as any evidence of anything with any of them...it was a bit sad at the end, Damien seems to have such an air of sadness about him but also seems to be quite 'peaceful' as well...I'm glad that he has his relationship and had someone to believe in him...I really like Jason a lot and can also see why he strongly didn't want to take the Afford plea but only did for Jason...that in itself/that he wanted to reject it may be quite telling of their innocence...Jessie just didn't seem any different at all so maybe good in that he survived prison and then just went home....

...just awful to think though that whoever killed those children will probably never answer for it ....


...we need an unsolved crime case thread....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....yeah, I think especially after West Memphis, more so than anything else..Jason, Damien and Jessie felt almost the least guilty in a way, in that their lives seemed the least worrying than many others...there was a lot of mental illnesses in the town it would seem so many people on medication or in drug use at the time...and all of that is said to have effects on the lie detector as well, so I'm starting to take no store in that as any evidence of anything with any of them...it was a bit sad at the end, Damien seems to have such an air of sadness about him but also seems to be quite 'peaceful' as well...I'm glad that he has his relationship and had someone to believe in him...I really like Jason a lot and can also see why he strongly didn't want to take the Afford plea but only did for Jason...that in itself/that he wanted to reject it may be quite telling of their innocence...Jessie just didn't seem any different at all so maybe good in that he survived prison and then just went home....

...just awful to think though that whoever killed those children will probably never answer for it ....


...we need an unsolved crime case thread..:laugh:..

I know, I probably should move all these posts out of here really

To me, Jason and Damien seem like the most intelligent and sane of almost everyone involved in the case (even with Damiens mental illness records)

ETA : Look how nice Jasons teeth are now, I wonder did he get those fixed in prison? they were awful while his trial was going on

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know, I probably should move all these posts out of here really

To me, Jason and Damien seem like the most intelligent and sane of almost everyone involved in the case (even with Damiens mental illness records)

ETA : Look how nice Jasons teeth are now, I wonder did he get those fixed in prison? they were awful while his trial was going on

...yeah I noticed that as well and thought hmmmmm, is that a mum thing to think......with 18 years in there, they could have come out and been totally unadjusted but very much influenced people around them while they were there...and yeah, in a strange sort of way, they've just got so many possibilities open to them now.../taking as much positive as they could...and considering their childhoods and lack of education, it's really quite remarkable.../they must be quite remarkable in their character...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

^nope not a mum thing. Noticed both Damien and Jason has straighter teeth. But then Damien said Jason was beginning to enjoy it in there and was looking forward to the next years before they talked about being exonerated.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

^nope not a mum thing. Noticed both Damien and Jason has straighter teeth. But then Damien said Jason was beginning to enjoy it in there and was looking forward to the next years before they talked about being exonerated.

He seemed to take a lot out of prison, with his education, work experience etc ...which is a strange way to think about Prison but good especially if he is innocent

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He seemed to take a lot out of prison, with his education, work experience etc ...which is a strange way to think about Prison but good especially if he is innocent

Yes. Looks like he had an OK experience compared to Damien.

Do you know what I find strange is that Jessie has cut all ties with everyone. He apparently lives a sheltered life, he doesn't even own a phone. He went back to Arkansas where the crimes happened because that's where his family is. Sometimes I wonder if that's the truth. Sometimes I wonder if people want him away and quiet just in case he talks again.

But-I'm still undecided. Unless someone comes out and makes an honest confession we might never know.
Did you watch their press conference the day of the release? Damien looked so vulnerable. Jason well spoken. Bless he didn't want to accept the deal but did it so Damien wouldn't be executed. Jason wanted to practice law to prevent others from going through what they did but he can't because they aren't fully exonerated.

Touching on what Ammi said about him looking cold, distant during the trials- he confirmed that before the murders police were always hounding him, on his tail because of various things so when they came to get him and Jason for the murders he just thought same old thing, same old routine and he figured sooner or later they would figure out they were innocent, only they didn't and they ended up locked up

Sick side note- Damien Echols is kind of cute, so well spoken

Interesting interview. Kind of want to read his book life after death

Youtube video

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Youtube video

Lori and Damien, the woman he married while on death row. They were never allowed physical contact. I wonder if he will stick with her now that he knows freedom. He certainly owes her a lot

[Ammi]

...I guess what I was left with is that someone/some people in that town killed those three children...as opposed to someone passing through/a stranger because to do something like that, would they have not killed again..that surely wouldn't be a 'one off' thing to do, I mean that just wouldn't make sense...there was such a lack of any evidence/forensics ..one of the musicians (I can't recall which one..)...said something like ..Damien/a bit of a loner/a bit of a 'misfit'/never really fitting into the town and the musician relating to that as something he felt as a teenager as well, so that capturing his interest in the case...I think that's something so many people can relate to though..it's not that untypical...anyways in trying to prove their innocence, it was then looking at the town's people and maybe slanting 'sinister' with that...but I would think that many lives their were also typical of small towns as well...a bit disturbing in some cases and aggression/lots of issues etc...it's only because something like this happened that it's scrutinised so much ...but I wonder if in so many towns, they would al seem quite 'average'...


...it's horrible, the thought that someone/some people are out there and have been for all of this time, who did this to those children...I think maybe they just wanted accountability quickly for the families and didn't have the resources..a polygraph that no one was really trained in using../'expert' witnesses who who were nothing more than enthusiasts, really...and maybe if there had been any real evidence of importance..?..they could have ruined it/overlooked it in their inefficiencies...I don't know...but as much as I'm really happy for Jason, Damien and Jessie if they are innocent ..that they finally have freedom...I can't really feel support/warmth toward them..(I don't know how to say it..)... just in case they did kill them....


..I guess that we're not all equal/all lives aren't equal because if those three children had been born in a city with the resources and the expertise and the policing etc...would their killers have been absolutely sure and been brought to justice...but they were born where they were and just something the town was unable to cope with to ensure justice for them..?...


..it's just all so sad...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yes. Looks like he had an OK experience compared to Damien.

Do you know what I find strange is that Jessie has cut all ties with everyone. He apparently lives a sheltered life, he doesn't even own a phone. He went back to Arkansas where the crimes happened because that's where his family is. Sometimes I wonder if that's the truth. Sometimes I wonder if people want him away and quiet just in case he talks again.

But-I'm still undecided. Unless someone comes out and makes an honest confession we might never know.
Did you watch their press conference the day of the release? Damien looked so vulnerable. Jason well spoken. Bless he didn't want to accept the deal but did it so Damien wouldn't be executed. Jason wanted to practice law to prevent others from going through what they did but he can't because they aren't fully exonerated.

Touching on what Ammi said about him looking cold, distant during the trials- he confirmed that before the murders police were always hounding him, on his tail because of various things so when they came to get him and Jason for the murders he just thought same old thing, same old routine and he figured sooner or later they would figure out they were innocent, only they didn't and they ended up locked up

Sick side note- Damien Echols is kind of cute, so well spoken

Interesting interview. Kind of want to read his book life after death

Youtube video

Yeah I guess life on death row is always going to be much tougher, he looked terrible in a few of the interviews you posted of him inside there.

Jessie is a strange one, could be he just wants to hide away and keep to himself after everything that happened or maybe he's being sheltered from interviews and such incase he slips up, don't think we'll ever know really. It's such a shame those little boys will never see any proper justice

I'll watch that interview in a bit, thanks

Re your side note yeah he is kind of cute but listen, that's the thing now isn't it?, he will always have that is he/isn't he a child murderer following him around which is horrible if he's innocent

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Youtube video

Lori and Damien, the woman he married while on death row. They were never allowed physical contact. I wonder if he will stick with her now that he knows freedom. He certainly owes her a lot

I was thinking about that too actually, what if when he got out and actually lived with her he decided that he didn't want to be with her, he must almost feel obliged to which would be terrible if he didn't want to be. She's 15 years older than him too

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I guess what I was left with is that someone/some people in that town killed those three children...as opposed to someone passing through/a stranger because to do something like that, would they have not killed again..that surely wouldn't be a 'one off' thing to do, I mean that just wouldn't make sense...there was such a lack of any evidence/forensics ..one of the musicians (I can't recall which one..)...said something like ..Damien/a bit of a loner/a bit of a 'misfit'/never really fitting into the town and the musician relating to that as something he felt as a teenager as well, so that capturing his interest in the case...I think that's something so many people can relate to though..it's not that untypical...anyways in trying to prove their innocence, it was then looking at the town's people and maybe slanting 'sinister' with that...but I would think that many lives their were also typical of small towns as well...a bit disturbing in some cases and aggression/lots of issues etc...it's only because something like this happened that it's scrutinised so much ...but I wonder if in so many towns, they would al seem quite 'average'...


...it's horrible, the thought that someone/some people are out there and have been for all of this time, who did this to those children...I think maybe they just wanted accountability quickly for the families and didn't have the resources..a polygraph that no one was really trained in using../'expert' witnesses who who were nothing more than enthusiasts, really...and maybe if there had been any real evidence of importance..?..they could have ruined it/overlooked it in their inefficiencies...I don't know...but as much as I'm really happy for Jason, Damien and Jessie if they are innocent ..that they finally have freedom...I can't really feel support/warmth toward them..(I don't know how to say it..)... just in case they did kill them....


..I guess that we're not all equal/all lives aren't equal because if those three children had been born in a city with the resources and the expertise and the policing etc...would their killers have been absolutely sure and been brought to justice...but they were born where they were and just something the town was unable to cope with to ensure justice for them..?...


..it's just all so sad...

They said in one of the films that they didn't reckon it was someone from out of town because they would have had to have known the area plus no similar crimes happened after either

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Not being able to sleep and randomly trying to decipher Shutter island even though you already kind of did all that time ago when you watched it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Not being able to sleep and randomly trying to decipher Shutter island even though you already kind of did all that time ago when you watched it

..I love that movie...my irritation is often not being able to stay awake through stuff though and dosing off and then losing the plot which makes it hard to decipher...I was watching the first episode of Westworld last night, which seems to be a bit different to the movie so I had to follow it closely because a few things were confusing/or were less clear...anyways, then there was a bit with two characters that I hadn't seen before and I thought ugggghhh who are these people, this is even more confusing...then realised they were an Ikea advert, which is why I didn't recognise them...but yeah it's that thing where I can often drift off and miss crucial bits.../irritating...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I love that movie...my irritation is often not being able to stay awake through stuff though and dosing off and then losing the plot which makes it hard to decipher...I was watching the first episode of Westworld last night, which seems to be a bit different to the movie so I had to follow it closely because a few things were confusing/or were less clear...anyways, then there was a bit with two characters that I hadn't seen before and I thought ugggghhh who are these people, this is even more confusing...then realised they were an Ikea advert, which is why I didn't recognise them...but yeah it's that thing where I can often drift off and miss crucial bits.../irritating...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Looks like Kylie is taking over from her sister Kim Kartrashian and posing pointless selfies in underwear for attention but OMG the amount of people I'm saying saying see can we really blame Trump when there is this culture of young women that objectify themselves on social demanding male attention?? I disagree with that type of attention seeking from the Kartrashians and the like but whether a woman posts naked or in her underwear does not mean that she is asking to be grabbed by the Pussy!!!! Trumps words cannot be justified!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Looks like Kylie is taking over from her sister Kim Kartrashian and posing pointless selfies in underwear for attention but OMG the amount of people I'm saying saying see can we really blame Trump when there is this culture of young women that objectify themselves on social demanding male attention?? I disagree with that type of attention seeking from the Kartrashians and the like but whether a woman posts naked or in her underwear does not mean that she is asking to be grabbed by the Pussy!!!! Trumps words cannot be justified!!!

The fact that people are even trying to justify them makes me sick tbqh

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The fact that people are even trying to justify them makes me sick tbqh

The world is sick. Internet has exposed how sick members of society are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The fact that people are even trying to justify them makes me sick tbqh

yes lets just kill him and everyone we dont like

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes lets just kill him and everyone we dont like

I said that we should kill people? where was this exactly?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

The world is sick. Internet has exposed how sick members of society are.

I'm hoping that they're just alot louder than the good ones