[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Also we've already established that the religion of these two is not important to the story.It shouldn't have happened on any airline but especially not a western one where womens rights are equal to mens.The way this was reported is inconsequential to the outcome.The religion keeps getting brought up but that doesn't change the fact that a woman was forced out of her seat which she had paid for.The bad reporting is just a distraction to the issue.

And this is precisely why most of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. If people looked at both sides of the story, and still sided with the woman, then fine. But as far as I can see every single person who sides wih the woman on this thread has completely ignored one half of the story, their opinion on the subject barely matters.

and to Cherie no, if you want to fight for common decency, then practice it - we all have our line, i personally dont believe anybody can really say much about gender equality when they clearly dont care for religious beliefs. Monks arent against gender equality, those who havent reached sunyata are taught that they themselves should not approach women because they are not at a high enough level yet. The outrage on this thread is simply stupid. But what would i know, i'm 5. Although maybe a 5 year old whos open to research and both sides of the story is a tad more mature than the adults here.

The cake situation would be similar if the bakers refused because their hands werent good enough for gay men. So. Thats convos done. Obviously.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Withano

And this is precisely why most of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. If people looked at both sides of the story, and still sided with the woman, then fine. But as far as I can see every single person who sides wih the woman on this thread has completely ignored one half of the story, their opinion on the subject barely matters.

and to Cherie no, if you want to fight for common decency, then practice it - we all have our line, i personally dont believe anybody can really say much about gender equality when they clearly dont care for religious beliefs. Monks arent against gender equality, those who havent reached sunyata are taught that they themselves should not approach women because they are not at a high enough level yet. The outrage on this thread is simply stupid. But what would i know, i'm 5. Although maybe a 5 year old whos open to research and both sides of the story is a tad more mature than the adults here.

The cake situation would be similar if the bakers refused because their hands werent good enough for gay men. So. Thats convos done. Obviously.

The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

Truth

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

Theyre not exactly the same, i wont explain why again, you can reread the post above.

[Ammi]

..I don't think that trendy is a factor at all, I just don't get that...Christianity is respected by most, equally as other religions and beliefs are..but those beliefs with the cake baking also discriminated against and infringed on the rights of others...the airline in their 'respect' as it were for the beliefs and practises of the monks also discriminated and their discrimination also infringed on the rights of others or another so both are indeed equal in how they have been viewed.../no trends involved that would favour one over the other...Withano was never questioning the discrimination...all he was saying basically is...why not take a few moments out of a day to understand the practises/beliefs etc of different less familiar cultures as well...it wouldn't and shouldn't make any difference to the conclusion of it being discrimination with what happened and with the airline...but it does help in general understanding and knowledge which is never a bad thing...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

Yup.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

And this is precisely why most of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. If people looked at both sides of the story, and still sided with the woman, then fine. But as far as I can see every single person who sides wih the woman on this thread has completely ignored one half of the story, their opinion on the subject barely matters.

and to Cherie no, if you want to fight for common decency, then practice it - we all have our line, i personally dont believe anybody can really say much about gender equality when they clearly dont care for religious beliefs. Monks arent against gender equality, those who havent reached sunyata are taught that they themselves should not approach women because they are not at a high enough level yet. The outrage on this thread is simply stupid. But what would i know, i'm 5. Although maybe a 5 year old whos open to research and both sides of the story is a tad more mature than the adults here.

The cake situation would be similar if the bakers refused because their hands werent good enough for gay men. So. Thats convos done. Obviously.

Wow. I'll argue my point with anyone but really calling half the thread stupid is going a little far. Perhaps this is why I find your posts a bit offensive sometimes, arrogance.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Wow. I'll argue my point with anyone but really calling half the thread stupid is going a little far. Perhaps this is why I find your posts a bit offensive sometimes, arrogance.

I called the outrage on the thread stupid. And it is.

If a person is mad that a woman was asked to move seats whilst refusing half of the story, then their outrage is childish. Theres a simple explanation which would minimise their outrage and if they refuse this information, then their outrage is at best, simply unfounded.

If you accept both perspectives but still side entirely with the woman, i dont believe you can cry for social justice. Im a fan of practice what you preach.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I called the outrage on the thread stupid. And it is.

If a person is mad that a woman was asked to move seats whilst refusing half of the story, then their outrage is childish. Theres a simple explanation which would minimise their outrage and if you refuse this information, then their outrage is at best, simply unfounded.

The point you don't seem to be getting is that there is no explanation that excuses refusing to sit next to someone because she is a woman. But I think I'm flogging a dead horse trying to get that across to you.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The point you don't seem to be getting is that there is no explanation that excuses refusing to sit next to someone because she is a woman. But I think I'm flogging a dead horse trying to get that across to you.

I mean, there is. Youre still refusing the information available to you.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, there is. Youre still refusing the information available to you.

Why do I need more information when religion does not validate gender nor race discrimination? Nothing I am told about their religion will validate discrimination. It doesn't matter what their belief is, be it negative or positive it's still discrimination against a woman.

I might believe it's going to rain tomorrow, that doesn't mean I should refuse to sit next to a black guy on a bus.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Why do I need more information when religion does not validate gender nor race discrimination? Nothing I am told about their religion will validate discrimination.

Precisely why i was saying the outrage on this thread is stupid, thanks for eloquetly proving my point.

There was no discrimination here (at least from the male monks' side) and researching this or reading through the thread would have told you this. It was quite the opposite to discrimination and we know this because of the buddhist teachings of sunyata.

I completely understand why you would be upset if you only take information from one side of the story, but ignoring the other half and still being outraged is childish.