[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You realise, with this you would have a full inbox within an hour of it being implemented?

Well, I am a very fast typist. Though in all seriousness, again... this has been implemented before and it was in place of infractions at the base level. So maybe only a small handful made it a problem, and again, I would escalate to infractions and bans if that user is stubborn... there should be an unsaid limit of courtesy PM's in my opinion

Edit: Unless you're talking about PM storage limits. Then whoops

[Maru]

You have to keep in mind a lot of the forums I've run or have been to are run by computer gurus and people who ran servers, did web development for a living ... so we used witchcraft sometimes when things weren't going our way

[Rob!]

If I'm honest I really don't see the point in deleting posts - what are you trying to protect us from? We're all humans at the end of the day, humans argue, disagree and fight. Sometimes it's nasty but attempting to edit what we're saying because you either don't agree with it or it doesn't coincide with some, in a few cases, red tape type rules is parmount to Orwellian type behaviour imo.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Maru

Well, I am a very fast typist. Though in all seriousness, again... this has been implemented before and it was in place of infractions at the base level. So maybe only a small handful made it a problem, and again, I would escalate to infractions and bans if that user is stubborn... there should be an unsaid limit of courtesy PM's in my opinion

Edit: Unless you're talking about PM storage limits. Then whoops

Ohhh you meant the member whos post had been removed would get a message? I read this as everytime a message was deleted or a thread moved or whatever everyone would get a message

I always try to leave an edit note if I edit posts. And I tend to favour editing over deletions too. But when faced with a thread with 50 posts that are just bollocks arguments and sniping..much easier to delete in one go, which includes any posts quoting the argument. Which tends to then lead to 'why was my post deleted, I only said X' which starts it all up again thus making the deletions a bit pointless, which is why we delete posts of that nature too.

Having said this, a fair few members prefer their posts to be deleted rather than edited. I have had hell on in PM many times for editing peoples posts :S

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no one is dismissing and no one is attacking anyone Kirk..and the bit in bold is simply not true at all...and it does actually insult members in saying it, that it factors in at all when we view things on the forum...we often do so as 'observers' in a thread ..(in any section..)...so participating is not really relevant.../in fact observing and non-participation often gives a more balanced perspective rather than involvement...

I'm sorry Ammi, but the bit in bold is perfectly true in MY opinion though it may not be in yours.

I really think that you need to stand back and take a more objective view of events just lately Ammi, because CLEARLY some people are being DISMISSIVE of our complaints, and still others are being PERSONALLY CRITICAL of us, and their comments amount to attacking us.

I witnessed another thread yesterday, where decent, honourable, and long-serving members were subjected to a barrage of the most unnaceptable immature abusive comments AND mockery by supporters of the Mod in question.

Opinions on here among a huge number of members are driven more by who they are 'friends with' and which 'Celebrity' they are fans of rather than any objective and dispassionate weighing of facts - in my opinion.

Do you think that ANY ONE of us would 'conjure up' these problems which we have experienced just to make waves, when - as mature, intelligent adults - we KNOW that the ensuing tsunami will DROWN US?

I'm sorry, but I really do not hate anyone on here - my life is too full of REAL living for that to be the case, yet I MUST stand up and be counted for what I KNOW is MY truth, and if that truth casts a friend of yours in an unfavourable light, and if you take umbrage because of it, then there is nothing that I can do.

All I ask in REAL life, is that I am treated the same as the next person by those in authority - not better, not worse, but the same - and it is no different upon here.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

If I'm honest I really don't see the point in deleting posts - what are you trying to protect us from? We're all humans at the end of the day, humans argue, disagree and fight. Sometimes it's nasty but attempting to edit what we're saying because you either don't agree with it or it doesn't coincide with some, in a few cases, red tape type rules is parmount to Orwellian type behaviour imo.

I don't really see it as protecting anyone tbh, unless it is removing bad insults, or racism or something. I see it as keeping threads readable. I swear if you could see some threads with the vast amount of deleted posts restored you would see what I mean. Nearly every SD thread recently descends into petty sniping which has **** all to do with the topic of the tread.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Maru

You have to keep in mind a lot of the forums I've run or have been to are run by computer gurus and people who ran servers, did web development for a living ... so we used witchcraft sometimes when things weren't going our way

Don't we all dear?....

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Rob!

If I'm honest I really don't see the point in deleting posts - what are you trying to protect us from? We're all humans at the end of the day, humans argue, disagree and fight. Sometimes it's nasty but attempting to edit what we're saying because you either don't agree with it or it doesn't coincide with some, in a few cases, red tape type rules is parmount to Orwellian type behaviour imo.

Not a big brother reference about mods on a big brother forum

[Crimson Dynamo]

The nights are fair drawing in....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Ugh, I don't want a notification every time a mod does something, that's so tedious.

I asked that a general comment be put in the thread, Niamh does it a lot and it's very effective

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ohhh you meant the member whos post had been removed would get a message? I read this as everytime a message was deleted or a thread moved or whatever everyone would get a message

I always try to leave an edit note if I edit posts. And I tend to favour editing over deletions too. But when faced with a thread with 50 posts that are just bollocks arguments and sniping..much easier to delete in one go, which includes any posts quoting the argument. Which tends to then lead to 'why was my post deleted, I only said X' which starts it all up again thus making the deletions a bit pointless, which is why we delete posts of that nature too.

Having said this, a fair few members prefer their posts to be deleted rather than edited. I have had hell on in PM many times for editing peoples posts :S

A lot of places do it mainly for deletions, though some do it for threads moved (it depends on the volume). We escalated to infractions using the preexisting forum tools when we couldn't correct the behavior and just followed that system accordingly to bans which often incremented if we felt justified... so the worst offender... 2 day ban... became a 2 week ban... to a one month ban... to permaban... multis = instaban, and extend the original ban if the user went back to abusing other users... we tended to leave it alone though if they were just trying to PM a mod.

I much prefer editing and notations too, as it leaves the pertinent information and allows the thread to continue, but it depends on the forum... these days some people take it very sensitively. (see Rob's post)

I think some people feel like it's a black mark that makes them feel "punished"... but really, if it's done courteously and across the board (edits for everyone ).. then it can go very well and makes the moderation team appear active and engaged... but I would poll users before changing.... maybe test this in S&D first since they seem to want to be so involved in moderation innovation.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I asked that a general comment be put in the thread, Niamh does it a lot and it's very effective

I think this is good for mass deletions that have massively altered the discourse in the thread. Do it after every deletion and the mod team and forum will be a basket cases in a matter of weeks.

Edit: I think sleeping on it is sometimes too if it looks like a questionable endeavor... come back and delete delete delete... sometimes everyone has had their mea culpa... or a chronically insomniac 3am mod will clean it up when it gets particularly nasty. Leaving those threads around can cause issues if there are a lot of thin skins on the board. I'm OK with locked threads in most cases... personally speaking.

Edit2: We actually used to move deleted/edited posts to a hidden forum just in case we needed to bring back a post (with edits) to make clear it was moderated and re-cleared. Something to consider.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm sorry Ammi, but the bit in bold is perfectly true in MY opinion though it may not be in yours.

I really think that you need to stand back and take a more objective view of events just lately Ammi, because CLEARLY some people are being DISMISSIVE of our complaints, and still others are being PERSONALLY CRITICAL of us, and their comments amount to attacking us.

I witnessed another thread yesterday, where decent, honourable, and long-serving members were subjected to a barrage of the most unnaceptable immature abusive comments AND mockery by supporters of the Mod in question.

Opinions on here among a huge number of members are driven more by who they are 'friends with' and which 'Celebrity' they are fans of rather than any objective and dispassionate weighing of facts - in my opinion.

Do you think that ANY ONE of us would 'conjure up' these problems which we have experienced just to make waves, when - as mature, intelligent adults - we KNOW that the ensuing tsunami will DROWN US?

I'm sorry, but I really do not hate anyone on here - my life is too full of REAL living for that to be the case, yet I MUST stand up and be counted for what I KNOW is MY truth, and if that truth casts a friend of yours in an unfavourable light, and if you take umbrage because of it, then there is nothing that I can do.

All I ask in REAL life, is that I am treated the same as the next person by those in authority - not better, not worse, but the same - and it is no different upon here.

..I don't know Kirk...(I'm going to bow out of this for the moment because I need to get something to eat...)...but the wording that you're using 'us' seems to suggest a mindset of 'them and us' and I honestly think that might be contributing as well../that mindset...


..I can't always say that I can be completely objective/no one can/and no one is ever not ironic or hypocritical in behaviour at times either ..I see what everyone sees though and with the infractions/bans/warnings etc the ones I'm aware of...whether they be someone I'm close to or not...?...I also see why they were given and most people who receive them also fully understand and accept the reasons why as well...only the occasional things I would say might cause some confusion as to the situation in Cherie making the thread, which Josy has said she'll look into...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think this is good for mass deletions that have massively altered the discourse in the thread. Do it after every deletion and the mod team and forum will be a basket cases in a matter of weeks.

Edit: I think sleeping on it is sometimes too if it looks like a questionable endeavor... come back and delete delete delete... sometimes everyone has had their mea culpa... or a chronically insomniac 3am mod will clean it up when it gets particularly nasty. Leaving those threads around can cause issues if there are a lot of thin skins on the board. I'm OK with locked threads in most cases... personally speaking.

Edit2: We actually used to move deleted/edited posts to a hidden forum just in case we needed to bring back a post (with edits) to make clear it was moderated and re-cleared. Something to consider.

we used to have to do this with the old forum. With this one nothing gets 'deleted' it just gets hidden and admin and mods can still read and restore them if necessary

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Not a big brother reference about mods on a big brother forum

[Ashley.]

If your post is deleted without an explanation, ask for an explanation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

If your post is deleted without an explanation, ask for an explanation.

How do you monitor what gets deleted?
Do you monitor all your posts and check they are still there?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How do you monitor what gets deleted?
Do you monitor all your posts and check they are still there?

No. Why would I?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Is a Big Brother forum really being taken this seriously?

Lol, right?!

If your post was deleted, its for a good reason

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

No. Why would I?

So if u don't know it's been deleted how can you ask?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So if u don't know it's been deleted how can you ask?

Well in that case, why fuss over a comment you're never going to look at again anyway? Plus by the looks of things, Cherie is well in-the-know that some of her comments have been deleted.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lol, right?!

If your post was deleted, its for a good reason

It's the good reason that needs explaining, if it's not obvious

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lol, right?!

If your post was deleted, its for a good reason

Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed

I have now come to accept that you are no mere mortal.
That you KNOW with DIVINE and INFALLIBLE certitude
EVERYTHING.

I am especially in awe of your ability to KNOW these things to be absolutes without the direct personal experiences of those of us who you contradict.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed

I have now come to accept that you are no mere mortal.
That you KNOW with DIVINE and INFALLIBLE certitude
EVERYTHING.

I am especially in awe of your ability to KNOW these things to be absolutes without the direct personal experiences of those of us who you contradict.

SHFDCHFGJJGH IM ****ING SCREAMING

[Black Dagger]

Is this forum ****ing serious. I don't know anymore.