[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where is the evidence anything these two have ever said or done has or will benefit Britain?... I see nothing, except the omishambles that is brexit and a megalomaniac in the white house :/

Brexit is NOT any 'omnishambles' - It is the result of a DEMOCRATIC REFERENDUM of those British Citizens who could be bothered to actively participate, and it is the post referendum skullduggery by Foreign Corporations with HUGE vested interests in REMAINING in the Gravy Train which is the EU, which is THE real problem.

The corrupt EU has had 40 + years in which to entangle us and bind us in its very, very, complex and convoluted, bureaucratic and legal tentacles, and NO disentanglement is, or was, EVER going to be a simple, overnight matter of 'electing to separate'.

No matter how true in essence, the explanatory statements from Gina Miller: "We are taking this challenge to clarify the procedural steps necessary for the UK to trigger Article 50 in line with the UK constitution" and "We will be making the argument that the correct constitutional process of parliamentary scrutiny and approval as well as consultation with the devolved administration in Scotland and Northern Ireland and the Welsh Assembly needs to be followed. Otherwise the notice to withdraw from the European Union would be unlawful and subject to legal challenge." is but a cloak which masks the very real motives behind this challenge.

To any IMPARTIAL logical UK citizen who TRULY believes in DEMOCRACY - Nigel Farage has done more single-handedly to wrench control of our democracy away from the rich elites who have manipulated it for decades, and place it back in the hands of the electorate.

Gina Miller and her corporate cronies are merely attempting to reverse the above.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

To any IMPARTIAL logical UK citizen who TRULY believes in DEMOCRACY - Nigel Farage has done more single-handedly to wrench control of our democracy away from the rich elites who have manipulated it for decades, and place it back in the hands of the electorate.

I find this very idealistic, Kirk. You could break it all down and say that, yes, removing us from the larger entity gives us more control but the reality is... a very few things that do not affect the day to day lives of the electorate will be altered by the government when outwith EU control and there will be decades of economic uncertainty, upheaval and decline in the process. And in the real world, NO control at all is in the hands of the electorate, it is instead firmly in the hands of the Tory elite governments, with currently no end in sight to that situation. Trying to paint it as a victory for the "man on the street" is just insane... that man has NO more control than he ever did. Westminster has more control than before. So what? Because they are British Elite instead of European Elite?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Brexit is NOT any 'omnishambles' - It is the result of a DEMOCRATIC REFERENDUM of those British Citizens who could be bothered to actively participate, and it is the post referendum skullduggery by Foreign Corporations with HUGE vested interests in REMAINING in the Gravy Train which is the EU, which is THE real problem.

The corrupt EU has had 40 + years in which to entangle us and bind us in its very, very, complex and convoluted, bureaucratic and legal tentacles, and NO disentanglement is, or was, EVER going to be a simple, overnight matter of 'electing to separate'.

No matter how true in essence, the explanatory statements from Gina Miller: "We are taking this challenge to clarify the procedural steps necessary for the UK to trigger Article 50 in line with the UK constitution" and "We will be making the argument that the correct constitutional process of parliamentary scrutiny and approval as well as consultation with the devolved administration in Scotland and Northern Ireland and the Welsh Assembly needs to be followed. Otherwise the notice to withdraw from the European Union would be unlawful and subject to legal challenge." is but a cloak which masks the very real motives behind this challenge.

To any IMPARTIAL logical UK citizen who TRULY believes in DEMOCRACY - Nigel Farage has done more single-handedly to wrench control of our democracy away from the rich elites who have manipulated it for decades, and place it back in the hands of the electorate.

Gina Miller and her corporate cronies are merely attempting to reverse the above.

Oh it is, every day we are learning something new as thankfully the covert negotiations that aim to rid us of any semblance of a civilised society with our NHS, workers rights, justice system and public services are being leaked.

Free us from foreign corporations?... Who do you think the govt have to frack the **** out of the UK, and site their nuclear dumps here? :/

This idealistic 'great British brexit off' isn't going to happen the way many envisaged, there will be no croquet on the lawn...no jolly hockey sticks and no bluebirds over the white cliffs of dover.
It will be hard, unfair and unconstitutional, calling those who are attempting to see to it the law forces the govt to adhere to the rules are not 'cronies' or 'enemies of the people' or whatever else the brown shirts label them as.

Are laws only for plebs? To keep us in check not for the elite in government?....:/
English laws for English people, that's what we wanted isn't it?... Except when it prevents May et all from steamrollering over our bill of rights.