[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Phew!!! You CERTAINLY are a very, very, gifted writer Maru, and your intellect leaps out from every paragraph.

I cannot think about that term; 'Cockwomble' without involuntarily breaking into a smile - I think it was BlackDagger who used it, and he has a very dry wit.

Great post again Maru.

Cockwomble... it just rolls off the tongue ... (omg, that sounded really dirty )

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Cockwomble... it just rolls off the tongue ... (omg, that sounded really dirty )

It's a mutually beneficial GOOD thing - this relationship between us on this side of the 'pond' and you on the other, don't you think Maru?

You give us eloquent and comprehensive insights into the American way of life and politics, and in exchange, we give you the word 'Cockwomble'.

Keep posting. I love reading them.

[Ammi]

..I think that we're (voters that is..)..are all informed as much as we feel we need to be informed or can be because it's so often the case as well that people effected most with any government in many countries etc are those whose lives are quite a struggle anyway.../struggling with low incomes../with cost of living rises and worrying how they'll manage../with families and needs that have to be met etc...these are always the people to worry about most I think so obviously would want to feel confidently 'informed' in their voting decisions and what things would mean to them but then that's conflicted though with the time that many have available to inform themselves, so a bit of a catch really...working/looking after families/working out how to make it all work and add up etc...so yeah, information to inform is always available but not always able to be sought.../I think it can also work the other way though as well and being 'too informed' and equally as confusing in making decisions because it's such an overload and over-thinking and over-thinking and etc...anyway, democracy never required informed, it just requited a vote so even the smallest of reasons for a vote of whatever has to be equally valid...

...anyways with both Brexit and Trump, I think the similarity has been that because they're both essentially votes for 'different', there hasn't really been that much to inform as such, it's more 'potentially' of an unknown...all theory really...with Brexit, yeah we have been outside the EU before../not always a part of but we can't discount the years we have been in it so it's still a complete unknown at the present so, so much less to inform really of our future etc...and the same with Trump, he's not a politician in the sense that the world has ever known, so in his role/his history that would be appropriate etc../very little to inform...I think for me a big part with both is what the effect and the positive effect for those very people who would struggle to inform themselves because of the general struggle of their lives...and also before any paths can go forward, things that appear to have been more brought to the surface do need validation and addressing I think...Trump really as a lot of work and actions to do now with so many of his prejudiced and yes, racist comments because once something is out there, it can't be taken back but can 'cause' so much damage, it became out of his control in what was incited in others..(some others obviously, whose own thoughts and feelings felt 'fed' by this powerful figure..)...Trump contributed../Trump is president elect/Trump has to address and take his responsibility...no matter what percentage it is because he has promoted intolerance and that can't be acceptable no matter what the political beliefs...it's okay to be seen with the 'important' people of the world as he sees them but the important people really are much closer to home and right under his nose and the ones he should be focusing on really...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think that we're (voters that is..)..are all informed as much as we feel we need to be informed or can be because it's so often the case as well that people effected most with any government in many countries etc are those whose lives are quite a struggle anyway.../struggling with low incomes../with cost of living rises and worrying how they'll manage../with families and needs that have to be met etc...these are always the people to worry about most I think so obviously would want to feel confidently 'informed' in their voting decisions and what things would mean to them but then that's conflicted though with the time that many have available to inform themselves, so a bit of a catch really...working/looking after families/working out how to make it all work and add up etc...so yeah, information to inform is always available but not always able to be sought.../I think it can also work the other way though as well and being 'too informed' and equally as confusing in making decisions because it's such an overload and over-thinking and over-thinking and etc...anyway, democracy never required informed, it just requited a vote so even the smallest of reasons for a vote of whatever has to be equally valid...

...anyways with both Brexit and Trump, I think the similarity has been that because they're both essentially votes for 'different', there hasn't really been that much to inform as such, it's more 'potentially' of an unknown...all theory really...with Brexit, yeah we have been outside the EU before../not always a part of but we can't discount the years we have been in it so it's still a complete unknown at the present so, so much less to inform really of our future etc...and the same with Trump, he's not a politician in the sense that the world has ever known, so in his role/his history that would be appropriate etc../very little to inform...I think for me a big part with both is what the effect and the positive effect for those very people who would struggle to inform themselves because of the general struggle of their lives...and also before any paths can go forward, things that appear to have been more brought to the surface do need validation and addressing I think...Trump really as a lot of work and actions to do now with so many of his prejudiced and yes, racist comments because once something is out there, it can't be taken back but can 'cause' so much damage, it became out of his control in what was incited in others..(some others obviously, whose own thoughts and feelings felt 'fed' by this powerful figure..)...Trump contributed../Trump is president elect/Trump has to address and take his responsibility...no matter what percentage it is because he has promoted intolerance and that can't be acceptable no matter what the political beliefs...it's okay to be seen with the 'important' people of the world as he sees them but the important people really are much closer to home and right under his nose and the ones he should be focusing on really...

This for me.
Valid points all through and especially as to the hard work Trump needs to do too, which he has after the discord he has brought about from his campaign.
As you rightly point out of a racist nature too at times, by his own choice.

I said plenty here yesterday on this and other included issues so will leave it there.
Just had to commend this post.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think that we're (voters that is..)..are all informed as much as we feel we need to be informed or can be because it's so often the case as well that people effected most with any government in many countries etc are those whose lives are quite a struggle anyway.../struggling with low incomes../with cost of living rises and worrying how they'll manage../with families and needs that have to be met etc...these are always the people to worry about most I think so obviously would want to feel confidently 'informed' in their voting decisions and what things would mean to them but then that's conflicted though with the time that many have available to inform themselves, so a bit of a catch really...working/looking after families/working out how to make it all work and add up etc...so yeah, information to inform is always available but not always able to be sought.../I think it can also work the other way though as well and being 'too informed' and equally as confusing in making decisions because it's such an overload and over-thinking and over-thinking and etc...anyway, democracy never required informed, it just requited a vote so even the smallest of reasons for a vote of whatever has to be equally valid...

...anyways with both Brexit and Trump, I think the similarity has been that because they're both essentially votes for 'different', there hasn't really been that much to inform as such, it's more 'potentially' of an unknown...all theory really...with Brexit, yeah we have been outside the EU before../not always a part of but we can't discount the years we have been in it so it's still a complete unknown at the present so, so much less to inform really of our future etc...and the same with Trump, he's not a politician in the sense that the world has ever known, so in his role/his history that would be appropriate etc../very little to inform...I think for me a big part with both is what the effect and the positive effect for those very people who would struggle to inform themselves because of the general struggle of their lives...and also before any paths can go forward, things that appear to have been more brought to the surface do need validation and addressing I think...Trump really as a lot of work and actions to do now with so many of his prejudiced and yes, racist comments because once something is out there, it can't be taken back but can 'cause' so much damage, it became out of his control in what was incited in others..(some others obviously, whose own thoughts and feelings felt 'fed' by this powerful figure..)...Trump contributed../Trump is president elect/Trump has to address and take his responsibility...no matter what percentage it is because he has promoted intolerance and that can't be acceptable no matter what the political beliefs...it's okay to be seen with the 'important' people of the world as he sees them but the important people really are much closer to home and right under his nose and the ones he should be focusing on really...

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People vote for different reasons I think, but I feel yours is a common reasoning. This past election I voted Libertarian for my Congressional representatives because I am done with the oppression that is coming from both of the major parties as a citizen. I feel put in the middle and I am not really interested in their party favors. Been there, bought the t-shirt, have been on the rides. Ironically enough, many of the reps I'd voted for previously (dem/rep) over the years have moved on or retired since I've returned to TX... so... even harder for me to justify a vote in their directions when both these parties have become overly divisive and overbearing in terms of the direction this country goes... so the noobs are taking most of the flack for it now, when realistically it's probably taken quite a bit of work on many people's parts for our govt to become this constipated. Ironic but still true now as I think about it.