[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Again with the insults 'it's so ugly' bla bla bla. I've never once said I think children and mothers should be made to suffer, or anything you said in that sentence so don't put words in my mouth thank you all the same..

Well you cant have it both ways.

You cant take it away from the government without killing the citizens. This is the very basic principle of foreign aid and you completely skipped through it. We cant progress with the conversation until you make it clear whether you would prefer to kill the citizens and stop a government being capable of war... Or keep the poverty sticken children alive whilst their government funds a proportion of their wealth on projects that you may or may not agree with.

You can not have both. Until you understand this, your argument is senseless.

If the question really is why is this happening (i dont think anybody is really asking this) then this is the answer..
Each government is responsible in distributing the wealth where they see fit, if there isnt enough for basic human rights then foreign aid can help prevent the unnecessary deaths.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well you cant have it both ways.

You cant take it away from the government without killing the citizens. This is the very basic principle of foreign aid and you completely skipped through it. We cant progress with the conversation until you make it clear whether you would prefer to kill the citizens and stop a government being capable of war... Or keep the poverty sticken children alive whilst their government funds a proportion of their wealth on projects that you may or may not agree with.

You can not have both. Until you understand this, your argument is senseless.

I think we should definitely be looking at where our money is spent with considerable scrutiny. Again you make bald statements killing of thousands with no proof, facts etc. Bizarre.

Define what you meant in your previous comments about my post not having age appropriate conclusions? I was sure I took it right down to your level.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think we should definitely be looking at where our money is spent with considerable scrutiny. Again you make bald statements killing of thousands with no proof, facts etc. Bizarre.

Define what you meant in your previous comments about my post not having age appropriate conclusions? I was sure I took it right down to your level.

Christ. Limiting foreign aid will limit medication, will limit vaccines. Will kill many people, most specifically children and pregnant mothers. Some things dont need proof, they need twenty seconds of thought.

Making a thread about where our money should go would be fine, making a thread on how governments spend their cash is fine. But thats not what this thread is, this thread is simply implying that foreign aid isnt needed in countries that can afford weapons and that is ugly. You have simply killed off anybody living under a corrupt government with a "its not my bloody job" attitude. Make it your job to care about those struggling to stay alive.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Christ. Limiting foreign aid will limit medication, will limit vaccines. Will kill many people, most specifically children and pregnant mothers. Some things dont need proof, they need twenty seconds of thought.

Making a thread about where our money should go would be fine, making a thread on how governments spend their cash is fine. But thats not what this thread is, this thread is simply implying that foreign aid isnt needed in countries that can afford weapons and that is ugly. You have simply killed off anybody living under a corrupt government with a "its not my bloody job" attitude. Make it your job to care about those struggling to stay alive.

Money should never be given blindly or you are in danger of funding the very things you claim to oppose.

The thread is asking why we are giving aid to countries who can afford weapons of mass destruction. It's a fair question.

If you want to make dramatic statements prove it or don't call others stupid for disagreeing with you.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

Christ. Limiting foreign aid will limit medication, will limit vaccines. Will kill many people, most specifically children and pregnant mothers. Some things dont need proof, they need twenty seconds of thought.

Making a thread about where our money should go would be fine, making a thread on how governments spend their cash is fine. But thats not what this thread is, this thread is simply implying that foreign aid isnt needed in countries that can afford weapons and that is ugly. You have simply killed off anybody living under a corrupt government with a "its not my bloody job" attitude. Make it your job to care about those struggling to stay alive.

But can't you see Withano that people who live under a corrupt government are NEVER going to see one penny of that foreign aid. So all we are doing in effect is enabling that corrupt government to prosper. Please tell me you can see that?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

But can't you see Withano that people who live under a corrupt government are NEVER going to see one penny of that foreign aid. So all we are doing in effect is enabling that corrupt government to prosper. Please tell me you can see that?

I mean.. They do though.. The money doesnt get handed over in cash for the government to clap and high five each other before their shopping spree in H&M. Money goes directly into medicines, supporting children through school and making sure the young wont die tomorrow. I think a lot of your argument is just paranoia.
If you wanted to make a thread about how other governments should distribute their cash, I think we'd have similar opinions. But taking foreign aid away from those who need it because their government (which are located close to central war zones) have ways of defending themselves is obviously bat**** crazy. Why punish a child because of their government?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean.. They do though.. The money doesnt get handed over in cash for the government to clap and high five each other before their shopping spree in H&M. Money goes directly into medicines, supporting children through school and making sure the young wont die tomorrow. I think a lot of your argument is just paranoia.
If you wanted to make a thread about how other governments should distribute their cash, I think we'd have similar opinions. But taking foreign aid away from those who need it because their government (which are located close to central war zones) have ways of defending themselves is obviously bat**** crazy. Why punish a child because of their government?

Once again, how do you know this? What are the supporting facts?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Once again, how do you know this? What are the supporting facts?

By understanding the basics.

If you want supporting facts, you can google it yourself.

Alternatively you can read an article that I helpfully found for you (below). If you wanted the facts that directly support my point instead of a general understanding of the topic area, you can skip directly to page 39

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...pment-2016.pdf

[Ammi]

..I think that they do receive though, it's just that they don't receive all of but if they didn't receive at all, if it completely stopped it wouldn't stop governments from arming themselves as a priority, it would only stop vitals and essentials needed of those who need most...

[Ammi]

..or similar to what Withano says, jeez you type quickly.....

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..or similar to what Withano says, jeez you type quickly.....

I have work to do.. So naturally, I'm procrastinating haha.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

senseless.

If the question really is why is this happening (i dont think anybody is really asking this) then this is the answer..

Each government is responsible in distributing the wealth where they see fit, if there isnt enough for basic human rights then foreign aid can help prevent the unnecessary deaths.

This is possibly one of the most ludicrous statement I have EVER witnessed Withano - Are you REALLY saying that a Government is OK to squander its money on Nuclear Weapons, New Palaces with gold wc's and fleets of top limousines for its ministers, or equipping its armies with latest hi-tech weaponry and equipment, while its poorer citizens go without food, water and shelter, because Foreign Aid will step in and save the day?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is possibly one of the most ludicrous statement I have EVER witnessed Withano - Are you REALLY saying that a Government is OK to squander its money on Nuclear Weapons, New Palaces with gold wc's and fleets of top limousines for its ministers, or equipping its armies with latest hi-tech weaponry and equipment, while its poorer citizens go without food, water and shelter, because Foreign Aid will step in and save the day?

Yes, yes he is.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Yes, yes he is.

Oh right, there we were thinking i was the one putting words in your mouth, you gave me a telling off for it too

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh right, there we were thinking i was the one putting words in your mouth, you gave me a telling off for it too

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is possibly one of the most ludicrous statement I have EVER witnessed Withano - Are you REALLY saying that a Government is OK to squander its money on Nuclear Weapons, New Palaces with gold wc's and fleets of top limousines for its ministers, or equipping its armies with latest hi-tech weaponry and equipment, while its poorer citizens go without food, water and shelter, because Foreign Aid will step in and save the day?

Thats a different issue, but to me, no not personally. Offtopic though.