[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right.. But taking it away will kil hundreds within a year.. Maybe you just havent thought this through enough.

How do you know this? How can anyone know what will happen?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How do you know this? How can anyone know what will happen?

Well, what would happen to those who receive life-saving medication, thats an obvious one. Vaccines against preventable diseases? How would children miraculously become prevented without them? Did you think that question through at all? Its almost insulting that you would imply deaths wouldnt happen as a direct result of this.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well, what would happen to those who receive life-saving medication, thats an obvious one. Vaccines against preventable diseases? How would children miraculously become prevented without them? Did you think that question through at all? Its almost insulting that you would imply deaths wouldnt happen as a direct result of this.

Well how do you know that their own government or another body wouldn't provide those things? Do you know for sure that we do provide those things and it's our responsibility alone? It's not insulting at all it's a reasonable question. Stop with the veiled insults all the time Withano, it's getting tedius.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well how do you know that their own government or another body wouldn't provide those things? Do you know for sure that we do provide those things and it's our responsibility alone?

Foreign aid is there for those who need it, you take it away and you kill millions. Luckily Britain isnt the only country who supplies this, other countries feel a responsibility to prevent poverty-stricken families dying from preventable diseases. You feeling as if children and mothers dont deserve this because their government has science programmes running is so ugly. But I'm not mad, I honestly dont feel as if there has been much thought into this strange thread from many people in it. Im sure with a bit of empathy or rational thinking, you can come to a more age-appropriate conclusion. Same applies to many others here.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Foreign aid is there for those who need it, you take it away and you kill millions. Luckily Britain isnt the only country who supplies this, other countries feel a responsibility to prevent poverty-stricken families dying from preventable diseases. You feeling as if children and mothers dont deserve this because their government has science programmes running is so ugly. But I'm not mad, I honestly dont feel as if there has been much thought into this strange thread from many people in it. Im sure with a bit of empathy or rational thinking, you can come to a more age-appropriate conclusion. Same applies to many others here.

I'm sorry but I think the highlighted statement is melodrama based on your own emotions and no facts whatsoever. You don't even know if government aid actually goes to those who need it. Charities are fairly transparent and it can be easily traced with regard what they do with their money but honestly how do you know who ends up with government aid and what it is spent on?

Again with the insults 'it's so ugly' bla bla bla. I've never once said I think children and mothers should be made to suffer, or anything you said in that sentence so don't put words in my mouth thank you all the same. It's not a science project, stop sugar coating it, it's nuclear arms which in reality could kill the millions you claim to care about. Do I think our aid might be being spent on those nuclear weapons? Highly possible.

It is perfectly reasonable to say, if you can afford weapons of mass destruction, why are we paying to feed your people and where is that money going? The very question Jenny is asking.

Would you go through life never asking questions just hand over your money, never ask, never question?

Let me also ask you, if you are overdrawn in the bank, would you be working to pay that back, or spending your money buying treats for friends? Because if the answer is buying treats for friends, it's damn irresponsible. This country is overdrawn in the bank. It's completely acceptable to question where we are spending our money.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Again with the insults 'it's so ugly' bla bla bla. I've never once said I think children and mothers should be made to suffer, or anything you said in that sentence so don't put words in my mouth thank you all the same..

Well you cant have it both ways.

You cant take it away from the government without killing the citizens. This is the very basic principle of foreign aid and you completely skipped through it. We cant progress with the conversation until you make it clear whether you would prefer to kill the citizens and stop a government being capable of war... Or keep the poverty sticken children alive whilst their government funds a proportion of their wealth on projects that you may or may not agree with.

You can not have both. Until you understand this, your argument is senseless.

If the question really is why is this happening (i dont think anybody is really asking this) then this is the answer..
Each government is responsible in distributing the wealth where they see fit, if there isnt enough for basic human rights then foreign aid can help prevent the unnecessary deaths.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well you cant have it both ways.

You cant take it away from the government without killing the citizens. This is the very basic principle of foreign aid and you completely skipped through it. We cant progress with the conversation until you make it clear whether you would prefer to kill the citizens and stop a government being capable of war... Or keep the poverty sticken children alive whilst their government funds a proportion of their wealth on projects that you may or may not agree with.

You can not have both. Until you understand this, your argument is senseless.

I think we should definitely be looking at where our money is spent with considerable scrutiny. Again you make bald statements killing of thousands with no proof, facts etc. Bizarre.

Define what you meant in your previous comments about my post not having age appropriate conclusions? I was sure I took it right down to your level.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

senseless.

If the question really is why is this happening (i dont think anybody is really asking this) then this is the answer..

Each government is responsible in distributing the wealth where they see fit, if there isnt enough for basic human rights then foreign aid can help prevent the unnecessary deaths.

This is possibly one of the most ludicrous statement I have EVER witnessed Withano - Are you REALLY saying that a Government is OK to squander its money on Nuclear Weapons, New Palaces with gold wc's and fleets of top limousines for its ministers, or equipping its armies with latest hi-tech weaponry and equipment, while its poorer citizens go without food, water and shelter, because Foreign Aid will step in and save the day?

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

Foreign aid is there for those who need it, you take it away and you kill millions. Luckily Britain isnt the only country who supplies this, other countries feel a responsibility to prevent poverty-stricken families dying from preventable diseases. You feeling as if children and mothers dont deserve this because their government has science programmes running is so ugly. But I'm not mad, I honestly dont feel as if there has been much thought into this strange thread from many people in it. Im sure with a bit of empathy or rational thinking, you can come to a more age-appropriate conclusion. Same applies to many others here.

Empathy is good, but gullable naivity isn't. Do you suppose that a government of a country like Pakistan gives two hoots for it's poor and hungry, because I sure as hell don't. If they did they would spend the money they get in foreign aid on them, NOT on nuclear weapons or to arm terrorists.