[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Jaxie, I am not going to get into a tit for tat again with respect.

However either you didn't watch all the referendum campaign at the time of the independence vote or are choosing to ignore certain things said in it.

At the point where it looked like the independence vote could be lost,the statement was made, that if Scotland voted for independence it could not be in the EU, its best way to remain in the EU was to vote to stay in the UK.

Now you mentioned Question Time before, if you watch it regularly, MP after MP from Scotland states clearly, the Scots were told,a vote to stay in the UK was their only way of staying in the EU.

That may be something you do not want to believe but even Conservative MPs do not challenge that statement when on that programme,also on the Daily Politics and Sunday politics too, Andrew Neill himself has put that very question and statement to govt. MPs and Ministers.

Also we know the majority voted to leave across the UK, I still point out only thanks to the disproportionate larger numbers of electorate in England however.
This thread is not about that however, it is about highlighting a minority of voters in Scotland who in a tiny number of constituencies voted leave rather than remain.

Now you cannot reasonably expect no comeback when highlighting that, not to then have pointed out there were votes to remain,which were opposite your own view across the UK too.
With far more in fact percentage wise of the opposite view to you even in England, with as I said, 47% of English voters voting to remain as against only the 38% of Scots voting to leave.
The majority of the UK did vote to leave, the UK as I have said on here many times is not just England however and it is only England that carried this whole result.
In fact had England voted and all its votes counted and announced first, it was a waste of time the rest of the UK voting at all as all the might of English votes wiped all the rest of the votes cast out, no matter the majorities won.

Again however,since Scotland's vote was far more decisive than England's was, as was Northern Ireland's too.
Then as the leader of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has every right to do all she can to ensure Scotland's vote is respected.
Nothing in the opening post, or article in included, undermines in my view that right she has to stand up for her voters.

Nearly two thirds of her voters said they want to remain in the EU, dress it up, analyse it all you like to pick holes in it but that is a fact, and it is also the biggest margin as a percentage,(24%,nearly a quarter),of electorate voting in any of the 4 UK supposed equal as to status Nations.

No one is saying the overall vote of the UK was not to leave, locks should have been put on the vote for me but they were not, however to try to diminish the large strength of the Scottish vote to remain in the EU, by highlighting a few constituencies narrowly voting leave, is an odd one to me.

However as I said, lets look at England then too in that case and its much smaller result of an only 6% as a percentage majority for leave, and equally look at the areas that voted to remain there too, if it is in order to highlight any opposing votes as to the actual remain result in Scotland.

I see you choose to ignore my saying that no Nation in the UK,( or area even), voted unanimously one way or the other.
Yet this thread is making the strange point that not all Scots unanimously voted to remain.
Why?
Since no one has ever said that how it is relevant.

As I said the vote to leave the EU wasn't about the different parts of the union and how they voted but about how the whole UK voted. In a vote where each person had a vote that counted towards the vote how different regions/nations voted is largely irrelevant.
The referendum was about each individual's opinion.

Don't know what you mean by titfortat. Are you implying I shouldn't respond if you post to me unless I agree with everything you said?
If you don't want me to respond it's easy enough not to respond to me. Otherwise I don't really get where you are coming from here.

The Scots were told by the EU, no UK no EU. If they were independent Scotland wouldn't be in the EU, so to try to claim another referendum based on leaving the EU doesn't maoe sense.