[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry but you aren't convincing people with your constant attemped guilt trip comments about killing children. We are not responsible for The world's ills. There comes a point when we have to give priority to our own.

Hahah, this isnt a guilt trip, this is a fact. And its grim if youre comfortable with it, a lot appear to be more than comfortable - practically promoting it. Grim.

We do already give priority to our own. Weird thing to say. What you really want to say is that its time to give everything to our own? Grim.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hahah, this isnt a guilt trip, this is a fact. And its grim if youre comfortable with it, a lot appear to be more than comfortable - practically promoting it. Grim.

We do already give priority to our own. Weird thing to say. What you really want to say is that its time to give everything to our own? Grim.

If you say so.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hahah, this isnt a guilt trip, this is a fact. And its grim if youre comfortable with it, a lot appear to be more than comfortable - practically promoting it. Grim.

We do already give priority to our own. Weird thing to say. What you really want to say is that its time to give everything to our own? Grim.

Why is it grim to help our own, if you had to choose between a family member who needed help to pay a bill or donate to a charity and you couldn't afford to do both what would you do ?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why is it grim to help our own, if you had to choose between a family member who needed help to pay a bill or donate to a charity and you couldn't afford to do both what would you do ?

Helping "your own" isnt grim (the term our own is a little grim but thats not the point that youve missed) the point that you missed it that it is grim to cease help of those that you dont consider "your own", simply because they are not "your own".
The point you missed it that its grim to let those who you dont consider "your own" to die because you want those that you do consider "your own" to be slightly more comfortable.
Its grim That some people would rather limit funding to one group of people to maximise funding to "their own" effectively and indirectly killing literally thousands, instead of keeping a rational compromise of killing close to 0, Its completely grim.

And to be fair, there was only one in the thread that repeated that this is their wish after their initial post - everyone else has either said that they would research more into it or have avoided the question completely after their initial grim rant. so to give credit, most arent as bad as Ive made out, but many posts in here are completely grim and indirectly murderous.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Helping "your own" isnt grim (the term our own is a little grim but thats not the point that youve missed) the point that you missed it that it is grim to cease help of those that you dont consider "your own", simply because they are not "your own".
The point you missed it that its grim to let those who you dont consider "your own" to die because you want those that you do consider "your own" to be slightly more comfortable.
Its grim That some people would rather limit funding to one group of people to maximise it to "their own" effectively killing thousands, instead of keeping a rational compromise of killing close to 0, Its completely grim.

Even if we didn't have enough of 'our own' to help, as mentioned in a previous post, whatever we do it never stops. No lessons are ever learned.

If like more developed countries ipeople stopped having so many children they can't possibly afford and dooming them to a life of pain and suffering instead of expecting other countries to foot the bill, there would be a lot less suffering. Does being poor stop people from caring about the poverty they bring their children into.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Even if we didn't have enough of 'our own' to help, as mentioned in a previous post, whatever we do it never stops. No lessons are ever learned.

If like more developed countries ipeople stopped having so many children they can't possibly afford and dooming them to a life of pain and suffering instead of expecting other countries to foot the bill, there would be a lot less suffering. Does being poor stop people from caring about the poverty they bring their children into.

I dont even believe you understand what you're going on about anymore.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont even believe you understand what you're going on about anymore.

Having child after child with not enough food to feed them is cruel. You don't have to be educated to realise that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hahah, this isnt a guilt trip, this is a fact. And its grim if youre comfortable with it, a lot appear to be more than comfortable - practically promoting it. Grim.

We do already give priority to our own. Weird thing to say. What you really want to say is that its time to give everything to our own? Grim.

Priority to our own? Go tell that to the people living on the streets of London in the cold weather.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Priority to our own? Go tell that to the people living on the streets of London in the cold weather.

I think they understand basic mathematics and that more money goes to unfortunate uk citizens than it does citizens across the world combined.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think they understand basic mathematics and that more money goes to unfortunate uk citizens than it does citizens across the world combined.

How wonderful of you to speak for them and their circumstances.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How wonderful of you to speak for them and their circumstances.

How did i speak for them any more than you did. You implied they dont know which numbers are larger than others, I said that they probably did.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

How did i speak for them any more than you did. You implied they dont know which numbers are larger than others, I said that they probably did.

I didn't say anything about numbers.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Priority to our own? Go tell that to the people living on the streets of London in the cold weather.

I don't know how it is over there but I know here the majority of homeless people are there because they have other issues like alcoholism or drug addictions etc and they don't go through the proper system to get housing/benefits. Our social welfare system is pretty generous

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know how it is over there but I know here the majority of homeless people are there because they have other issues like alcoholism or drug addictions etc and they don't go through the proper system to get housing/benefits. Our social welfare system is pretty generous

Our disability (which is what they would be under) system is a joke really... you can't make more than $300 gross a month in order to apply and it takes multiple rejections to be accepted (to see a judge) and often sometimes costs money to win a case.

Sadly, we know the system well because of a neurological disorder that runs in the family. A long time friend is a disability lawyer and he's had to make sure some of his clients don't stand too close to a judge so that his case won't get thrown out. Of course they had to pay to get help...

So if you aren't able to work because you're sick and you can't depend on anyone... AND you need doctor's thorough proof you need assistance (which costs money ).... and this may process can take 1 1/2 - 3 years... yeah...

I don't know what the solution should be, but we almost certainly don't take care of our own. I drive by homeless veterans everyday and even if you apply, you need an address and phone number for most things... therein lies the issue. Though I think being in jail helps them get that help sometimes, ironically enough.... but if you're jailed, then you may end up with a record (such as stealing) which prohibits you from getting even a minimum wage job... meanwhile you can't even start the care you actually need... thus begins the cycle.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know how it is over there but I know here the majority of homeless people are there because they have other issues like alcoholism or drug addictions etc and they don't go through the proper system to get housing/benefits. Our social welfare system is pretty generous

The problem is that some people find themselves in a catch 22. Need an address to get benefits, on the streets so don't have an address. There are people with problems and mental health issues on the streets. That doesn't mean we should abandon them because they have other issues. There are also a lot of runaways.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The problem is that some people find themselves in a catch 22. Need an address to get benefits, on the streets so don't have an address. There are people with problems and mental health issues on the streets. That doesn't mean we should abandon them because they have other issues. There are also a lot of runaways.

I never said they should be abandoned but sometimes people need to want to take the help as well