[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

For those that genuinely need it - not those looking for a free ride. It is changing all the time with negative effects on those that genuinely need it due to the added burden on the system of the freeloaders.

Bit irrelevant. This is about whether people need to learn the language to live in the country. Youve presumed every person who doesnt know the language doesnt work for a living. And this is incorrect...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bit irrelevant. This is about whether people need to learn the language to live in the country. Youve presumed every person who doesnt know the language doesnt work for a living. And this is incorrect.

How does anyone who cannot speak the language, and therefore communicate effectively, get a job, pay their bills etc unless they are relying on some kind of translation/support service, probably paid for by the taxpayer. Amounts to the same thing - us footing the bill. Is it any wonder there is so much bad feeling about immigration.

People should be required to speak the basics, accept maybe in exceptional circumstances. Then they should be required to pay towards the cost of language classes, interpreters etc.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How does anyone who cannot speak the language, and therefore communicate effectively, get a job, pay their bills etc unless they are relying on some kind of translation/support service, probably paid for by the taxpayer. Amounts to the same thing - us footing the bill. Is it any wonder there is so much bad feeling about immigration.

People should be required to speak the basics, accept maybe in exceptional circumstances. Then they should be required to pay towards the cost of language classes, interpreters etc.

Why would translating a letter or a bill into a different language cos anybody any money? Effective communication just isnt required in some jobs so thats not an issue either...
And I disagree, if you wanted to work in Greece tomorrow for a job that doesnt require an extensive comprehension of the Greek language, then go for it. Language classes would be optional for you too.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why would translating a letter or a bill into a different language cos anybody any money? Effective communication just isnt required in some jobs so thats not an issue either...
And I disagree, if you wanted to work in Greece tomorrow for a job that doesnt require an extensive comprehension of the Greek language, then go for it. Language classes would be optional for you too.

I wouldn't be going to Greece or anywhere else to take from a system I had never paid into to the detriment of the locals. I don't expect something for nothing and have no time for those that do.

We have limited resources and cannot support those that can't support themselves whether that be benefits, health care, housing, education etc. Practically or Morally there really is no such thing as 'for free'. Britain and the British taxpayer are not a charity or a bank to be milked by the rest of the world.

For every interpreter paid for someone else is likely to be refused certain treatments or have a procedure cancelled - when will people get it, there is not enough money in the pot and everyone suffers when money is wasted on non-essential services such as interpreters.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I wouldn't be going to Greece or anywhere else to take from a system I had never paid into to the detriment of the locals. I don't expect something for nothing and have no time for those that do.

We have limited resources and cannot support those that can't support themselves whether that be benefits, health care, housing, education etc. Practically or Morally there really is no such thing as 'for free'. Britain and the British taxpayer are not a charity or a bank to be milked by the rest of the world.

For every interpreter paid for someone else is likely to be refused certain treatments or have a procedure cancelled - when will people get it, there is not enough money in the pot and everyone suffers when money is wasted on non-essential services such as interpreters.

Youve kind of got an 'I should be the priority because I've lived here longer' attitude, and I think thats where and why we disagree. Equal rights for all UK citizens imo. There isnt a heriachy with fluent speaking natives at the top, and I'd like to hope that nobody here is suggesting that there should be.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Youve kind of got an 'I should be the priority because I've lived here longer' attitude, and I think thats where and why we disagree. Equal rights for all UK citizens imo.

I do believe those that have paid in should get priority over those that haven't. What is wrong with that?

Otherwise the system is totally flawed and will continue to encourage those that haven't paid in to take whilst giving nothing back and lead to the eventual collapse of the NHS. Then everyone will either have to take out private insurance to go without. No more freebies for anyone.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I do believe those that have paid in should get priority over those that haven't. What is wrong with that?

Otherwise the system is totally flawed and will continue to encourage those that haven't paid in to take whilst giving nothing back and lead to the eventual collapse of the NHS. Then everyone will either have to take out private insurance to go without. No more freebies for anyone.

So the homeless would be ****ed then. Good job youre not running the country.