[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well us not treating people like human beings is our history, and FYI .. USA history is ours too.

Thankfully our country has done far more good than bad in the world and this should be celebrated, the world would be a much darker place without us.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Racist BLACK gang torture white male and shout racist abuse and political abuse

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tml#newcomment

disgusting

Appalling. No decent human condones this, no matter your beliefs. Poor kid Those criminals should be dealt with and I believe they are.

But why is this associated with BlM? Did they say BLM in the video?

Now that angry black people are doing what white people have been doing for decades (with the support of government), maybe they will take racism seriously now and address it properly. They better do it quick before it reverses further and black people start lynching white people

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Appalling. No decent human condones this, no matter your beliefs. Poor kid Those criminals should be dealt with and I believe they are.

But why is this associated with BlM? Did they say BLM in the video?

Now that angry black people are doing what white people have been doing for decades (with the support of government), maybe they will take racism seriously now and address it properly. They better do it quick before it reverses further and black people start lynching white people

Condemning it in one breathe but making excuses in another. There is no excuse for what those people did to that boy just as there isn't for racist attacks against black people

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Appalling. No decent human condones this, no matter your beliefs. Poor kid Those criminals should be dealt with and I believe they are.

But why is this associated with BlM? Did they say BLM in the video?

Now that angry black people are doing what white people have been doing for decades (with the support of government), maybe they will take racism seriously now and address it properly. They better do it quick before it reverses further and black people start lynching white people

I have no doubt that Jews will never gas Germans... so your comments are ridiculous.

Like Niamh said, like Armand said, anyone can be a bigot, the colour of your skin makes no difference.

And let's not forget, while slavery was an absolutely abhorrent thing, some slaves were sold to white people by black people and Arabs. What's more, because black people had no power back then, none at all, it was forward-thinking white people who had slavery abolished. When I say "abolished" I mean what we traditionally, historically, regard as "The Slave Trade" because slavery is alive and well and oppressing people of all colours.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Condemning it in one breathe but making excuses in another. There is no excuse for what those people did to that boy just as there isn't for racist attacks against black people

Indeed. This 'well I suffered for years so lets make others suffer' mentality is sickening :S

Edit. I meaning noone in particular, just generally. Excusing horrid actions by bringing up other actions...wrong.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thankfully our country has done far more good than bad in the world and this should be celebrated, the world would be a much darker place without us.

Is that due to us ridding places of there indigenous populations whilst raping them of their natural resources?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have no doubt that Jews will never gas Germans... so your comments are ridiculous.

Like Niamh said, like Armand said, anyone can be a bigot, the colour of your skin makes no difference.

And let's not forget, while slavery was an absolutely abhorrent thing, some slaves were sold to white people by black people and Arabs. What's more, because black people had no power back then, none at all, it was forward-thinking white people who had slavery abolished. When I say "abolished" I mean what we traditionally, historically, regard as "The Slave Trade" because slavery is alive and well and oppressing people of all colours.

Just to pick up on the Jew part, some Jews actually worked for the Germans in the concentration camps.
It was to save themselves but they did help Germans gill fellow Jews.

Having said the above I don't want to get into a pointless debate, humans kill fellow humans.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have no doubt that Jews will never gas Germans... so your comments are ridiculous.

Like Niamh said, like Armand said, anyone can be a bigot, the colour of your skin makes no difference.

And let's not forget, while slavery was an absolutely abhorrent thing, some slaves were sold to white people by black people and Arabs. What's more, because black people had no power back then, none at all, it was forward-thinking white people who had slavery abolished. When I say "abolished" I mean what we traditionally, historically, regard as "The Slave Trade" because slavery is alive and well and oppressing people of all colours.

Ridiculous comparison, the two are in no way similar .

It was progressives that had slavery abolished, the same people who are described as the loony left social justice warriors incidentally, it's a funny old world.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that due to us ridding places of there indigenous populations whilst raping them of their natural resources?

Like the Native Americans? Don't hear much from them, do we. They're pretty silent despite the fact that they suffered just as much - more probably, and over a longer period - than black people.

Like the conquistadorss in South America?

Like the Normans? The Vikings? The Romans?

How long do you suggest people beat themselves up for stuff their forefathers did... or in fact, probably didn't have a hand in. How much reparation should I expect from Germany? None.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ridiculous comparison, the two are in no way similar .

It was progressives that had slavery abolished, the same people who are described as the loony left social justice warriors incidentally, it's a funny old world.

They're pretty similar tbf

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just to pick up on the Jew part, some Jews actually worked for the Germans in the concentration camps.
It was to save themselves but they did help Germans gill fellow Jews.

Having said the above I don't want to get into a pointless debate, humans kill fellow humans.

If you don't want to get into a pointless debate, I suggest you refrain from making inflammatory remarks until you know what you're taking about.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you don't want to get into a pointless debate, I suggest you refrain from making inflammatory remarks until you know what you're taking about.

Bit offtopic but have you seen that film Denial Livia? It's really good

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ridiculous comparison, the two are in no way similar .

It was progressives that had slavery abolished, the same people who are described as the loony left social justice warriors incidentally, it's a funny old world.

Comparing people like Wilberforce to today's Left is what's ridiculous.

And yeah, they're similar.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Bit offtopic but have you seen that film Denial Livia? It's really good

No... haven't heard of it. Off to Google it...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you don't want to get into a pointless debate, I suggest you refrain from making inflammatory remarks until you know what you're taking about.

Jews worked for the Germans just because you are Jewish it don't make you right.
Jewish men kill Jewish women and vice versa.

Debates are pointless because people will continue to kill one another for being different.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Jews worked for the Germans just because you are Jewish it don't make you right.
Jewish men kill Jewish women and vice versa.

Debates are pointless because people will continue to kill one another for being different.

The Jewish people who worked for the Germans did it because they were starving and kept close to death. It's ridiculous to bring this up on a thread about black people not being racist.

If you really want to thrash out the Holocaust question, make a thread.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

That seems to be the theme with some black people. White people deserve it. Get over it. I don't have animosity towards Germans after they killed 6 million of my people, including some of my family, in the most barbartic, inhumane way. There is a different generation in Germany now.

Anyhoo.... I came on to post this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38514759

Similarly people should get over 9/11 but that's not going to happen. But we can't just get over it because the repercussions are still happening.

I am
Not sure of the relationship between Germans and Jews nowadays. Are Germans still actively racist towards Jews?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Jewish people who worked for the Germans did it because they were starving and kept close to death. It's ridiculous to bring this up on a thread about black people not being racist.

If you really want to thrash out the Holocaust question, make a thread.

To be fair you brought up Jews not killing Germans on a black racist thread.

As to making a thread, you would be the one to make a holpcaust thread as you say I know nothing compared to you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like the Native Americans? Don't hear much from them, do we. They're pretty silent despite the fact that they suffered just as much - more probably, and over a longer period - than black people.

Like the conquistadorss in South America?

Like the Normans? The Vikings? The Romans?

How long do you suggest people beat themselves up for stuff their forefathers did... or in fact, probably didn't have a hand in. How much reparation should I expect from Germany? None.

Are you being serious here?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're pretty similar tbf

Could you compare the two for me please then? As I just cant see it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have no doubt that Jews will never gas Germans... so your comments are ridiculous.

Like Niamh said, like Armand said, anyone can be a bigot, the colour of your skin makes no difference.

And let's not forget, while slavery was an absolutely abhorrent thing, some slaves were sold to white people by black people and Arabs. What's more, because black people had no power back then, none at all, it was forward-thinking white people who had slavery abolished. When I say "abolished" I mean what we traditionally, historically, regard as "The Slave Trade" because slavery is alive and well and oppressing people of all colours.

You're right black people did not have power back then. And yes they sold slaves to whites on request but I doubt they thought they would be subjected to the horror that fell on them for centuries. Labour was more their understanding of the trade. And yes Whites brought slavery in and some ended it but the results thereafter were disastrous.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Could you compare the two for me please then? As I just cant see it.

If you can't see how they're similar Kizzy I think it would be a waste of my time and energy trying to prove it you

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Jewish people who worked for the Germans did it because they were starving and kept close to death. It's ridiculous to bring this up on a thread about black people not being racist.

If you really want to thrash out the Holocaust question, make a thread.

To be fair you brought up the comparison initially, you may have family that experienced marginalisation, it doesn't mean nobody else has the right to offer a view... My grandfather was a Bradford pal in WW1 it doesn't make me a bloody hero does it? :/

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Condemning it in one breathe but making excuses in another. There is no excuse for what those people did to that boy just as there isn't for racist attacks against black people

Not saying there's an excuse. By there are consequences to ignoring a groups suffering for long periods of time or oppression their cries. This human race of ours, there were bound to be repercussions at some point.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Similarly people should get over 9/11 but that's not going to happen. But we can't just get over it because the repercussions are still happening.

I am
Not sure of the relationship between Germans and Jews nowadays. Are Germans still actively racist towards Jews?

Black people died in 9/11, you understand that, right?
Some Germans are still actively racist, just like some white people are racist toward black people... but NOT ALL OF THEM.