[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, you couldn't say that to me because I did read it that's how I know it was Sarah Wollaston that refutes the claim by the Red Cross not 'the NHS'.

The chief executive of the British red cross reiterates their response to the humanitarian crisis here....

“The British Red Cross is on the front line, responding to the humanitarian crisis in our hospital and ambulance services across the country,” said Red Cross chief executive Mike Adamson in a statement.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7515801.html

Well this was a quote from Professor Keith Willet from the top of the article 2 who apparently an NHS acute care specialist director. No mention of Sarah Wollaston from him.

"Professor Keith Willett, medical director for acute care at NHS England, said he did not think the service was at the level of a humanitarian crisis, but admitted demand was at its highest level ever and staff were under "a level of pressure we haven't seen before"."

It's winter, we have a large aging population. It's not unreasonable to assume there will be greater pressures is it?

Another quote that has nothing to do with Sarah Wollaston.

"The NHS has disputed claims from the Red Cross that there is a "humanitarian crisis" in its hospitals in England.
One of NHS England's specialist directors said he thought the service was not "at that point" of crisis, but admitted demand was higher than ever.
The Red Cross helps some hospitals with patient transport and provides care for patients who have returned home."

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the NHS needs more cash, it always does. But you seen to claim it was making a profit until this year in one breath, then claim it's under such strain it's a humanitarian crisis. I don't think the 'news' is really backing up the claims. I am not sure why you think the chief executive of the red cross knows more than the other people quoted.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well this was a quote from Professor Keith Willet from the top of the article 2 who apparently an NHS acute care specialist director. No mention of Sarah Wollaston from him.

"Professor Keith Willett, medical director for acute care at NHS England, said he did not think the service was at the level of a humanitarian crisis, but admitted demand was at its highest level ever and staff were under "a level of pressure we haven't seen before"."

It's winter, we have a large aging population. It's not unreasonable to assume there will be greater pressures is it?

Another quote that has nothing to do with Sarah Wollaston.

"The NHS has disputed claims from the Red Cross that there is a "humanitarian crisis" in its hospitals in England.
One of NHS England's specialist directors said he thought the service was not "at that point" of crisis, but admitted demand was higher than ever.
The Red Cross helps some hospitals with patient transport and provides care for patients who have returned home."

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the NHS needs more cash, it always does. But you seen to claim it was making a profit until this year in one breath, then claim it's under such strain it's a humanitarian crisis. I don't think the 'news' is really backing up the claims. I am not sure why you think the chief executive of the red cross knows more than the other people quoted.

I don't know why you feel one director overides those working within the NHS everyday who tell there is a crisis. It was in profit and no it isn't , what's so hard to understand about this? The profit generation branches have been privatised, leaving necessary but costly services. This is not 'news' it's happened you can see for yourself the profit and loss of the NHS over recent years.

Let's look at what Keith Willet actually said..

Prof Willett said that "on the international scale of a humanitarian crisis, I do not think the NHS is at that point".

He continued: "Clearly, demand is at the highest level ever.

"But also our planning is probably more comprehensive than it has ever been.

"In many ways this is a level of pressure we have not seen before and the workload that the NHS is being asked to shoulder in terms of medical treatment and personal care is very high.

"There are several reasons for that. This is the winter and many more people have breathing and heart problems, but we know it is also very difficult at the moment and social care and community services are not able to react fast enough to free up beds to keep up the flow through hospitals."

It may not be a crisis on an international scale.... but on a national one it is.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2017-0...-crisis-claim/