[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't mind Austin that much actually, I just think he's very childish with a nasty streak. I've seen worse. I preferred him in his last outing on Cbb when James Hill kept him in line. I think Austin needs someone more mature on his side for guidance....and no, if things had been reversed and James had fingered Austin and kicked him I wouldn't be loving it or defending it at all.

Austin would have been fine if he had teamed up with JJ

[jet]

Originally Posted by Stevep

It's pretty obvious.

Dancing, particularly ballet, has for a large proportion of time been deemed as an activity that women should take up due to it's light and graceful nature i would imagine. As a result, it would likely have been considered to be emasculating for men.

Times have changed but the stigma is still there for male dancers, hence why James was rattled when he was making out he was a 'big boy' and Austin brought him right back down with the 'dancer' jibe.

I think you need to re - watch because James didn't even react to the dancer jibe, he seemed to get angrier later....and it's obvious that James is a 'big boy' who can take care of himself anyway...and I doubt the mouthy immature Austin trying to 'bring him back down' would bother James in the slightest, he's heard it all before from similar idiots.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He is not, Gary didn't invite confrontation like Austin is, Austin is treating Stacy like James with Gary Busey, James looks like he has learned lessons from his time in the house, Austin seems to have forgotten anything he learned.

Gary never invited confrontation...people were impatient and lacked understanding...it didn't stop JJ from being patronising and bullying. James Jordan hasn't learnt anything...his aggressive talk and put downs were disgusting and unnecessary.
I find Austin just argumentative.. James takes it to a different level...the things HE said last night..the antagonisation the personal put downs are far worse than anything Austin has said.
Just because JJ has been reasonably nice in the first few days doesn't mean he is a better person...he was waiting for his first victim..now he has found him you will see all those nasty traits appear...like they did last night.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by jet

I think you need to re - watch because James didn't even react to the dancer jibe, he seemed to get angrier later....and it's obvious that James is a 'big boy' who can take care of himself anyway...and I doubt the mouthy immature Austin trying to 'bring him back down' would bother James in the slightest, he's heard it all before from similar idiots.

People react differently. If someone mocks or says something nasty to me, I don't react immediately, I think about it in disbelief for a good few minutes before reacting. Things like that tend to make me seethe with anger. Maybe that's how he reacted.

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Austin would have been fine if he had teamed up with JJ

I agree. Austin can't function without a more mature buddy to babysit him. Maybe this CBB will help him grow up if he sticks it out.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Gary never invited confrontation...people were impatient and lacked understanding...it didn't stop JJ from being patronising and bullying. James Jordan hasn't learnt anything...his aggressive talk and put downs were disgusting and unnecessary.
I find Austin just argumentative.. James takes it to a different level...the things HE said last night..the antagonisation the personal put downs are far worse than anything Austin has said.
Just because JJ has been reasonably nice in the first few days doesn't mean he is a better person...he was waiting for his first victim..now he has found him you will see all those nasty traits appear...like they did last night.

Gary has spent the last 10 years on various reality shows 'not inviting confrontation' in his own very subtle way that he made sure did just that. He was brilliant though and a worthy winner.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

People react differently. If someone mocked or said something nasty to me I don't react immediately, I think about it in disbelief for a good few minutes before reacting. Things like that tend to make me seethe with anger. Maybe that's how he reacted.

maybe he was reacting to having been sexually assault after the shock had worn off

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

maybe he was reacting to having been sexually assault after the shock had worn off

Nah. He's a dancer, so i'm sure he's coped with much worse than a finger between his arse cheeks.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

maybe he was reacting to having been sexually assault after the shock had worn off

Much more likely.

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by jet

I think you need to re - watch because James didn't even react to the dancer jibe, he seemed to get angrier later....and it's obvious that James is a 'big boy' who can take care of himself anyway...and I doubt the mouthy immature Austin trying to 'bring him back down' would bother James in the slightest, he's heard it all before from similar idiots.

James is an intelligent guy who by and large seems calm and collected, resorting to petty insults suggests he was annoyed to me, if you disagree then fair enough.

Just to clarify, i'm not particularly a fan of either, just giving my objective point of view. Austin quite clearly has issues of some kind or other that leads him to behave erratically, but JJ is just a bellend that targets individuals as he enjoys the humiliation.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jet

Gary has spent the last 10 years on various reality shows 'not inviting confrontation' in his own very subtle way that he made sure did just that. He was brilliant though and a worthy winner.

If it was a gameplan, it was the best gameplan there has been on the show really. I remember feeling so sorry for him but also acknowledging that he must be a pain in the arse to live with

Also deserved to win for this moment alone tbh

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also deserved to win for this moment alone tbh

I didn't watch this CBB... Where can I see it?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If it was a gameplan, it was the best gameplan there has been on the show really. I remember feeling so sorry for him but also acknowledging that he must be a pain in the arse to live with

Also deserved to win for this moment alone tbh

Loved that.
He was the best game player ever, bar none. He had plenty of practise on other shows of how to wind everyone up and get the viewers on side. Doddery old man my foot, he was exactly the same on the usa Apprentice but sharp as a needle when he needed to impress The Donald!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

I didn't watch this CBB... Where can I see it?

Try utube. Hope you can find it, if so you are in for a treat.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by jet

Try utube. Hope you can find it, if so you are in for a treat.

Omg, is it really that good? I've heard people say it's a good one but I always thought "Yeah, yeah, whatever". I'll have a look for it. Thanks.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

Can't stop laughing at James Jordan there finally losing his **** and revealing his true colours. It's hilarious how he was laughing at Austin for losing his temper but Austin was playing him like a fiddle at the end. So good to see the tormentor being tormented. LOVE IT.

Literally all of what you said is what Austin did...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Gary never invited confrontation...people were impatient and lacked understanding...it didn't stop JJ from being patronising and bullying. James Jordan hasn't learnt anything...his aggressive talk and put downs were disgusting and unnecessary.
I find Austin just argumentative.. James takes it to a different level...the things HE said last night..the antagonisation the personal put downs are far worse than anything Austin has said.
Just because JJ has been reasonably nice in the first few days doesn't mean he is a better person...he was waiting for his first victim..now he has found him you will see all those nasty traits appear...like they did last night.

I think people will be very quick to go back to hating JJ as soon as he crosses the line, it will be particularly easy for me anyway, Ive always despised him. But everyones free for a second chance, and hes been witty, rational and ready to stick up for others when he saw them get bullied, and I like him now because of this. He might not be a better person, but theres little use in hypothetically guessing that hes the same dick on the inside.. Wait until he presents himself as a dick so we can make conclusions instead of theories.
Basically the opposite to everything I've said above is the story of Austin, he too, might swing it round again. Until he does though, hes a horrid **** who has overstepped the mark at least ten too many times.