[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

To combat this stuff it will take a combination of things.No one thing will work.They need to be taken out militarily and ideologically and from within the religion.Morocco is taking a step in the right direction.Alot of these countries are stuck in their ways so if they see positive change coming in other muslim countries then it can only be a good thing.

Can you explain 'stuck in their ways'? Religion usually means being rather stuck in your ways. What is being addressed is extremism.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can you explain 'stuck in their ways'? Religion usually means being rather stuck in your ways. What is being addressed is extremism.

I'm not a religious person but I would have a lot of experience with Catholicism and I can't speak for NM but my opinion on it would be, similar to Catholicism religions need to evolve as the world moves forward. Women in most religions at one time were treated like second class citizens because that was how they were treated by society, being "stuck in their ways" to me, would mean some religions still treat their women like second class citizens

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not a religious person but I would have a lot of experience with Catholicism and I can't speak for NM but my opinion on it would be, similar to Catholicism religions need to evolve as the world moves forward. Women in most religions at one time were treated like second class citizens because that was how they were treated by society, being "stuck in their ways" to me, would mean some religions still treat their women like second class citizens

It's so nice to hear that as I don't think people address enough the way women are treated in religions. It's like a taboo because they don't want to offend.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's so nice to hear that as I don't think people address enough the way women are treated in religions. It's like a taboo because they don't want to offend.

Well, I don't have alot of time for religion tbh, I think (not just Muslim) they are oppressive and restrictive and a means of control, having said that I don't think people should be all tarred with the extremist brush either just because I'm not a fan of religions

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I don't have alot of time for religion tbh, I think (not just Muslim) they are oppressive and restrictive and a means of control, having said that I don't think people should be all tarred with the extremist brush either just because I'm not a fan of religions

Same. The muslim religion just comes up a lot more on the forum in conversations and gets more discussion time because of what's happening in the world atm.

I agree that you could say that not all muslims, catholics, baptists, hindu's etc etc are extremists. However, even moderate folks tend to follow traditions via religion that are extreme in the way that girls and women are expected to dress and behave. Like most ordinary catholics wouldn't be called extremist and then you get stupid rules that they are supposed to follow like no contraception and it puts people in a really difficult position.

It's weird because if the deal that women have in some religions was viewed in a political way or even as race is viewed, we would probably be sanctioning countries/religions rather than doing business with them for the way women are treated. It's not a lot different to apartheid really.

The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is a really interesting read.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not a religious person but I would have a lot of experience with Catholicism and I can't speak for NM but my opinion on it would be, similar to Catholicism religions need to evolve as the world moves forward. Women in most religions at one time were treated like second class citizens because that was how they were treated by society, being "stuck in their ways" to me, would mean some religions still treat their women like second class citizens

I would have thought that they had evolved though, the recent spike in extremism is due to a regression, you also have to remember we gave Women the vote less than 100yrs ago, let's not expect miracles

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would have thought that they had evolved though, the recent spike in extremism is due to a regression, you also have to remember we gave Women the vote less than 100yrs ago, let's not expect miracles

This is pure truth

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not a religious person but I would have a lot of experience with Catholicism and I can't speak for NM but my opinion on it would be, similar to Catholicism religions need to evolve as the world moves forward. Women in most religions at one time were treated like second class citizens because that was how they were treated by society, being "stuck in their ways" to me, would mean some religions still treat their women like second class citizens

Good answer.Yes that is what i meant.Countries like Saudi Arabia beheading people and treating women disgracefully.They may not change their ways soon but the more middle eastern countries that lead by example may have influence over the really devout Islamic countries.Maybe Islam could very gradually evolve just as other religions did.