[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes it went to Court taking
3 or 5 years , I think
The Judge Ruled Wheelchairs first


Some Mothers Refuse to Fold up their Chair
Eject them - I say


You maybe in a Zone
that is well liked.

Pop into Zones that are Packed
you will soon find a mother Taking
the wrong space
FACT

But thats still only one time in the last however many years.. Compromises have always been made every other time it would seem?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

But thats still only one time in the last however many years.. Compromises have always been made every other time it would seem?

No its been loads of Cases

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You must be in a Zone that is like a Bubble on it
with respect


Its only Years ago case because of the Problem
of Courts /Judges.


There can be many more now its illegal

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

But thats still only one time in the last however many years.. Compromises have always been made every other time it would seem?

It isn't just one time, many wheelchair users have experienced this problem and whilst a film crew were covering the recent court action there was an incident of a young women in a wheelchair trying to get on a bus and an empty buggy was in the wheelchair space whilst the mother was upstairs with her children.

Another woman was getting quite gobby to the wheelchair user and telling her to hurry up as she was holding up the bus. Some other idiot shouted out that he was late for work - how uncomfortable that poor girl must have felt. The bus driver should have insisted the woman come and fold her buggy or put it out of the bus. Disgraceful.

So yes, as per your previous post, it is an issue for wheelchair users.

[Suze]

I hardly go on buses if it can be helped, but ALWAYS give my seat up to others more needy when the need is there, to me that is just the right thing to do. When my two boys were young, I would rarely take them on the bus when they were below school age as I could tuck them up snugly in their pram/pushchair and walk a distance instead.

As Vicky points out, there are different circumstances that dictate who should be prioritised on buses, and I feel bad for you Vicky having to put up with some who treated you like that on the buses. There do seem to be some mothers who seem to come in packs on buses and who go between 1 to 3 stops, a distance it seems they could probably easily have walked though.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Suze

I hardly go on buses if it can be helped, but ALWAYS give my seat up to others more needy when the need is there, to me that is just the right thing to do. When my two boys were young, I would rarely take them on the bus when they were below school age as I could tuck them up snugly in their pram/pushchair and walk a distance instead.

As Vicky points out, there are different circumstances that dictate who should be prioritised on buses, and I feel bad for you Vicky having to put up with some who treated you like that on the buses. There do seem to be some mothers who seem to come in packs on buses and who go between 1 to 3 stops, a distance it seems they could probably easily have walked though.

Unfortunately a lot of young mums today are lazy. They take things for granted and have a sense of entitlement, when actually they have no such entitlement. They should get over themselves and off their backsides. Those spaces were created for wheelchair users, not pushchairs.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It isn't just one time, many wheelchair users have experienced this problem and whilst a film crew were covering the recent court action there was an incident of a young women in a wheelchair trying to get on a bus and an empty buggy was in the wheelchair space whilst the mother was upstairs with her children.

Another woman was getting quite gobby to the wheelchair user and telling her to hurry up as she was holding up the bus. Some other idiot shouted out that he was late for work - how uncomfortable that poor girl must have felt. The bus driver should have insisted the woman come and fold her buggy or put it out of the bus. Disgraceful.

So yes, as per your previous post, it is an issue for wheelchair users.

I agree with you, Gob****es should be treated as such, priority space should be treated as such.. but a few examples in many years where this did not happen is the equivalant to about 0.001% of the time or less (actually way less than that doing the math), so I dont think a change is warranted. Its injustice, sure, and people will be punished.. I think thats the end of it, no? What more could anybody possibly suggest?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I agree with you, Gob****es should be treated as such, priority space should be treated as such.. but a few examples in many years where this did not happen is the equivalant to about 0.001% of the time or less (actually way less than that doing the math), so I dont think a change is warranted. Its injustice, sure, and people will be punished.. I think thats the end of it, no?

You think everyone who has this problem takes it to Court. Most just put up with it, but they shouldn't have to.

If you don't use a wheelchair then it isn't really your place to say a change isn't warranted. I would imagine those actually affected would disagree.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You think everyone who has this problem takes it to Court. Most just put up with it, but they shouldn't have to.

If you don't use a wheelchair then it isn't really your place to say a change isn't warranted. I would imagine those actually affected would disagree.

You have no idea whether I use a wheelchair or not, and thats irrelevant. Dont put it on a public forum if you only want opinions from a certain group of people. I agree with you they shouldnt have to, its a good thing that very close to 100% never will.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

You have no idea whether I use a wheelchair or not, and thats irrelevant. Dont put it on a public forum if you only want opinions from a certain group of people. I agree with you they shouldnt have to, its a good thing that very close to 100% never will.

I did clearly say 'if you don't use a wheelchair' so no issue there then.

Good to hear you think hardly any disabled people experience this problem - nearly 100%. So you know better than the disabled themselves and the organisations supporting them. Reacon you do - not!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I did clearly say 'if you don't use a wheelchair' so no issue there then.

Good to hear you think hardly any disabled people experience this problem - nearly 100%. So you know better than the disabled themselves and the organisations supporting them. Reacon you do - not!

I used the stats you provided me to determine it was nearly 100%. Stop presuming things about my personal life to further an argument, its weird and severely weakens yours.