[arista]

Kizzy the Daily Mail is Not going to be Banned
sorry to inform you,


I am Not Staff
But Respect The Owner of this Great Site

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think we have seen on here that even when posters do produce evidence from good sources people will still not take it on board if it doesn't fit in with their way of thinking. They will find some way off dismissing it.

Besides it would take me back to having to reference every flipping source used in a piece of work. Done and dusted.

No one on here EVER produces good evidence from original, unbiased sources. Literally doesn't happen. I'm including myself in that, too, although I'd say I'm usually pretty upfront about my posts being based on my own opinion.

Using a newspaper article as a source - no matter WHICH newspaper - is using a second hand source already biased by the opinions of its author.

Tldr: newspapers are never good sources. You would never get away with citing one in an official or academic document as a source of fact. There's a reason for that.

[Jøsh]

No

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ie-O-Hara.html

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jøsh

No

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ie-O-Hara.html

Omg scum

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think we have seen on here that even when posters do produce evidence from good sources people will still not take it on board if it doesn't fit in with their way of thinking. They will find some way off dismissing it.

Besides it would take me back to having to reference every flipping source used in a piece of work. Done and dusted.

I don't disagree with you. I have a blog post about just this.
Like Withano, I think any link is better than no link at all. There's nothing more frustrating than opening a threat to a news story only to find it has no link… its difficult to start a dialogue on hearsay.

As for using the DM as a source... when a poster perpetually posts stories from this trash tabloid, you know you can't debate with them because their political knowledge is flawed by a distorted view of how politics works.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

.

As for using the DM as a source... when a poster perpetually posts stories from this trash tabloid, you know you can't debate with them because their political knowledge is flawed by a distorted view of how politics works.

Which makes LT's posted stats on "news" circulation / readership stats all the more disturbing. These are the papers that the "great" British public are buying every day. I don't see how anyone can take democracy even remotely seriously when the worldview of the general public, the people voting, is so hideously and bizarrely distorted.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Which makes LT's posted stats on "news" circulation / readership stats all the more disturbing. These are the papers that the "great" British public are buying every day. I don't see how anyone can take democracy even remotely seriously when the worldview of the general public, the people voting, is so hideously and bizarrely distorted.

I agree... its woman hating, Muslim bashing, NHS undermining peace of crap but its a peace of crap that is embraced by so many people in this country.

Part of the trick is to make the world seem more threatening than it is: crime is rising, migrants flooding the country, benefit scroungers swindling the taxpayer, standards of education falling, wind turbines taking over the countryside. Almost anything you eat or drink could give you cancer.
The Mail then assures readers they are not alone in their anxieties about this changing world. The Mail gives its readers a sense of belonging in an increasingly complex and unsettling world. http://www.newstatesman.com/media/20...iberal-britain

You can always spot a DM reader because they become alarmists about all of the above.

[Jack_]

The best trashing of the Mail you'll ever see

Youtube video

[arista]

Yes I like HIM
Wise Jack.


But it is still A Legal Paper

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The best trashing of the Mail you'll ever see

Youtube video

One man's opinion - a man who no doubt has his own agenda.

Tbh Just about any newspaper can be torn apart from someone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The best trashing of the Mail you'll ever see

Youtube video

DRAG IT

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

One man's opinion - a man who no doubt has his own agenda.

Tbh Just about any newspaper can be torn apart from someone.

And none of this has any relevance to the DM.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

One man's opinion - a man who no doubt has his own agenda.

Tbh Just about any newspaper can be torn apart from someone.

Yes I wonder what kind of 'agenda' that is

The difference being is that most newspapers don't have as much of a vile legacy as the Mail does

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The best trashing of the Mail you'll ever see

Youtube video

Oh he's good!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I like HIM
Wise Jack.


But it is still A Legal Paper

All you have done throughout this thread is complain about why its in SD. Even when you've been advised by a mod that its staying here you refuse to stop complaining. If you don't like it, you don't have to come here but if you are going to come here, then please try and debate the topic instead of behaving like a petulant child.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes I wonder what kind of 'agenda' that is

The difference being is that most newspapers don't have as much of a vile legacy as the Mail does

Again opinion.

[MTVN]

Trust the Mail more than a site like the Canary tbh

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Again opinion.

Well...it isn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Again opinion.

Not really, unless you believe that the founder of the DM being a Nazi sympathiser is acceptable? That the other atrocious scandals it's been involved in over the years are justified?

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Trust the Mail more than a site like the Canary tbh

MTVN
can you ask James to Speak
on this thread ,Please

He does not have to Close it
Just simply Rule on it
Very EASY

YES for ban


No for no ban.



Once James Rules on it
I bugger off to many More Important threads
or you MTVN can move it
Chat and Games
and not even bother James.


So nice to see Good Staff on Duty

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well...it isn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night

A Outside Fast Run
works well
Wise Jack

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

All you have done throughout this thread is complain about why its in SD. Even when you've been advised by a mod that its staying here you refuse to stop complaining. If you don't like it, you don't have to come here but if you are going to come here, then please try and debate the topic instead of behaving like a petulant child.

Sorry DR
also LT is the same


No Mods are great
they help us all.


But I am with the Law of the Land
I would NEVER say ban the Guardian , for example.


I love your input DR.
as you are able to see outside the box,
so to speak,
And you even had time to supply a Link
to one of my 4AM threads
Thank You DR

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

also LT I know this is par for the course with you but it's a little futile complaining about things not being appropriate for Serious Debates when you literally made a thread about people going to Tesco in their pyjamas

yeah, wow

this place

Yes that was Debated on ALL Radio and TV though
so LT
beat me to that thread
as I was going to post it
but I had a Meeting to go to.

[Withano]

Maybe you can make another thread about this, Arista, where people can chat about the DM etc. A third thread in the suggestions subforum mght also be a good idea.. But for now, I think people are fine debating whether it has a place on this forum, so the serious debate subforum seems appropriate.

I voted yes initially, people can use whatever source they like, however, there are some good arguments for it being banned im gonna have to read the debate progress a little longer.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Maybe you can make another thread about this, Arista, where people can chat about the DM etc. A third thread in the suggestions subforum mght also be a good idea.. But for now, I think people are fine debating whether it has a place on this forum, so the serious debate subforum seems appropriate.

I voted yes initially, people can use whatever source they like, however, there are some good arguments for it being banned im gonna have to read the debate progress a little longer.

There are no more good arguments for it to be banned than left wing rags. You can't effectively ban articles by a paper on one side of an argument whilst allowing articles by a paper on the other side. That would just be biased and completely undemocratic.

Seems that some of the left-leaners on here don't value the democratic process if it doesn't suit. What would that say about a future labour government if typical of some supporters on here - would they ignore a public vote every time it didn't go their way.