[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

shhhhh smudgie

let them hate on a person and feel good about themselves

lets take the hate away from the unborn babies and let them live

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is it ok to kill a baby who is the product of rape though? Surely there's never an ok time to murder a baby?

Originally Posted by the truth

lets take the hate away from the unborn babies and let them live

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

in one of his first acts as President.........


Welcome to the 1920's


Donald Trump today banned the US government from giving funding to health groups that offer abortion counselling.

The President signed an order reinstating the “global gag rule”, which denies US foreign aid to groups who "perform or actively promote" terminations.

He was photographed signing the bill in the Oval Office, flanked by eight members of his staff, all of whom are men.

Vice President and anti-abortion campaigner Mike Pence, chief of staff Reince Priebus, his son-in-law Jared Kushner and top advisor and former far-right website owner Steve Bannon were all present.

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.



http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/donal...ice=responsive

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.

and?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There did not appear to be any women present for the signing.

and?

Would be nice having a female there since they're making decisions that involve women and their bodies. I find it offensive and draconian infact

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

Delighted tens of millions of innocent unborn babies will now get a better chance to live. Amazed some here don't see it from their point of view?

No they won't. Abortion is a huge problem in countries that don’t legally offer them. Back street abortions are not the way forward but if that’s the only affordable option, women will use them. Complications with back street abortions are; women die, the fetus survives but will normally be brain damaged and late abortions are much more common... the fetus really is a viable baby when its wrenched from the womb.

Women and men, need to be better educated, need better support , need better access to contraception, need better advice and time and options such as having their baby fostered or adopted.

Whilst I don't agree with using abortion as a contraceptive, you surely grasp that many thousands of contraceptive clinics will close down and so that much needed advice may not be available.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Did anyone even read the first post? Abortion hasn't been banned at all, just support for people going through it. People are gonna do it anyway but many will be alone and unsupported through the process.

Yes Jessica I have read it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Would be nice having a female there since they're making decisions that involve women and their bodies. I find it offensive and draconian infact

men make babies too, it matters not what sex they are it matters if they can do a job for AMerica

[MB.]

But men don't have abortions

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MB.

But men don't have abortions

they perform them but its irrelevant when it comes to law making - best person for the job should always win.

[MB.]

Yes, the most important people when it comes to abortions are the brave men who perform them

I give up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

So women don't perform them?

did i say that?

[Greg!]

Indefensible. A PATHETIC excuse of a man, along with that twat Mike Pence

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MB.

Yes, the most important people when it comes to abortions are the brave men who perform them

I give up

Sorry you have lost me, you seem to be discussing a different thread

I am talking about why do we need women to make policy it should be the best person for the job man or women. Neem seemed to think it should be women only in this case

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sorry you have lost me, you seem to be discussing a different thread

I am talking about why do we need women to make policy it should be the best person for the job man or women. Neem seemed to think it should be women only in this case

Niamh never said it should be women only.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sorry you have lost me, you seem to be discussing a different thread

I am talking about why do we need women to make policy it should be the best person for the job man or women. Neem seemed to think it should be women only in this case

Surely even you can see how ridiculous it is for loads men to sign in a law telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even though they will never know what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy or have an abortion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Surely even you can see how ridiculous it is for loads men to sign in a law telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even though they will never know what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy or have an abortion

No because I know the religious make-up and history of America. Its ridiculous to judge them based on our country as seems to be the case here?

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Funny how quickly 'facts' can change, isn't it?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No because I know the religious make-up and history of America. Its ridiculous to judge them based on our country as seems to be the case here?

Not bothered about the religious history of America, doesn't change the fact that this law is an absolute joke and a disgrace along with other anti abortion laws around the world

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Welcome to the 1920's

Indeed

It's not much of a surprise though, didn't he make comments about wanting to punish women for having abortions, and given the people he's surrounded himself with

Originally Posted by smudgie

Just one thing, it would not matter who won as a republican, the first thing they would do is just this.
Not a Trump fan, but it is a Republican thing.

He's the man in charge though and the one signing the paper so if people feel it's worthy of criticism it's fair enough to point that at him. If it was someone else I'd be criticizing them instead.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Surely even you can see how ridiculous it is for loads men to sign in a law telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, even though they will never know what it's like to have an unwanted pregnancy or have an abortion

Well that hasn't happened, so what are you fussing about?

Women can have abortions, but if they want them, then they can pay for them themselves. They're getting to be responsible for themselves.

Why should a tax-payer, who has no children, and get's no financial help for having no children, have to pay for other peoples mistakes?

[DemolitionRed]

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Not bothered about the religious history of America, doesn't change the fact that this law is an absolute joke and a disgrace along with other anti abortion laws around the world

as I have said, that is vile religion for you

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

Well tell us your objections to this policy, of taking away the funding for abortion?

Or would you rather play identity politics and make the story about no women being in the room?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

So people who dont share your views are f ucked up?

I love how people think they are so right about the world that they can only think that those who disagree with them are somehow deranged and there for fair game for personal abuse

@Withano@Dezzy and @DM

can you not see the irony?

you really could not make this up

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is so fcuked up
I don't mean Trump and his madness but the amount of English guys who support absolutely everything he does. Its like an unhealthy crush.

I'm starting to think some members of this forum want Trump inside them, it's gotten so ridiculous.