[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well that hasn't happened, so what are you fussing about?

Women can have abortions, but if they want them, then they can pay for them themselves. They're getting to be responsible for themselves.

Why should a tax-payer, who has no children, and get's no financial help for having no children, have to pay for other peoples mistakes?

The women who'll be most affected by this are women living in poor areas (outside America) who without the current abortion services available to them are at greater risk of unsafe abortions and maternal death. The organisations that the law targets won't even be allowed to discuss abortion or provide any kind of education to them so how is it in any way going to make them more 'responsible'?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The women who'll be most affected by this are women living in poor areas (outside America) who without the current abortion services available to them are at greater risk of unsafe abortions and maternal death. The organisations that the law targets won't even be allowed to discuss abortion or provide any kind of education to them so how is it in any way going to make them more 'responsible'?

the females most affected are those millions of innocent female babies who may now not be killed and may get a chance to life like the rest of us

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The women who'll be most affected by this are women living in poor areas (outside America) who without the current abortion services available to them are at greater risk of unsafe abortions and maternal death. The organisations that the law targets won't even be allowed to discuss abortion or provide any kind of education to them so how is it in any way going to make them more 'responsible'?

Fair question.

I'd say the deterrent of having to pay for yourself, would make you act more responsible. There are one or two forms of contraception.

[Northern Monkey]

I do think abortion should be funded but only before the point where the cells become a person i.e have limbs,can think and move around etc.Also there definitely has to be a limit on the number allowed.I know of someone who had five before they decided to keep one.Some women use them as contraception.Disgusting.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I do think abortion should be funded but only before the point where the cells become a person i.e have limbs,can think and move around etc.Also there definitely has to be a limit on the number allowed.I know of someone who had five before they decided to keep one.Some women use them as contraception.Disgusting.

I agree the time limit should be low unless for medical reasons

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Alf

Fair question.

I'd say the deterrent of having to pay for yourself, would make you act more responsible. There are one or two forms of contraception.

I suppose they have to be responsible for rape as well? Or ill health brought on by problematic pregnancies? And it's been proven that no form of contraception is 100% guaranteed, hasn't it?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Alf

Fair question.

I'd say the deterrent of having to pay for yourself, would make you act more responsible. There are one or two forms of contraception.

I don't think this is actually to do with abortions themselves though, unless I'm mistaken isn't the law just to do with abortion advisory services? Yes there's contraception but I think this law is going to impact women in areas of the world where contraception and education surrounding contraception isn't so readily available, and unwanted pregnancies are still going to happen regardless of that anyway, but taking advice and education about abortion away from those women is only going to have negative effects for them.

Originally Posted by the truth

the females most affected are those millions of innocent female babies who may now not be killed and may get a chance to life like the rest of us

Unsafe abortions and maternal deaths will also result in those female babies dying. This isn't a ban on abortions it's a ban on information and education being given to women living in poverty.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I suppose they have to be responsible for rape as well? Or ill health brought on by problematic pregnancies? And it's been proven that no form of contraception is 100% guaranteed, hasn't it?

Yes, they are things that would need to be looked into, however, and I don't know the facts, but I'd guess that those cases are not the ones that the majority of funding is going too.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So people who dont share your views are f ucked up?

I love how people think they are so right about the world that they can only think that those who disagree with them are somehow deranged and there for fair game for personal abuse

@Withano@Dezzy and @DM

can you not see the irony?

you really could not make this up

No, because its coming from a man who appears to lack a normal amount of empathy... but then I think you get a kick from being peverse.

[Livia]

I think that if men want a say in abortion, they should be required to be more responsible when a woman becomes pregnant. Seeing this decision made by a roomful of men makes it look like an archaic control thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

are we somehow saying the decision to have an abortion is a women only one?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So people who dont share your views are f ucked up?

I love how people think they are so right about the world that they can only think that those who disagree with them are somehow deranged and there for fair game for personal abuse

@Withano@Dezzy and @DM

can you not see the irony?

you really could not make this up

1. I've barely talked in this thread, y u so obsessed with me
2. Stop being such a snowflake
3. Pc gone mad when we cant even talk about a world leader making backwards mistakes.

Classic Lt and the rest of the pc brigade being snowflakes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

1. I've barely talked in this thread, y u so obsessed with me
2. Stop being such a snowflake
3. Pc gone mad when we cant even talk about a world leader making backwards mistakes.

Classic Lt and the rest of the pc brigade being snowflakes.

again with the personal remarks

are you a dezzy sockpuppet because you sound very,very similar?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again with the personal remarks

are you a dezzy sockpuppet because you sound very,very similar?

I found your slander pretty personal and incredibly unwarranted. Dont give if you cant take.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

are we somehow saying the decision to have an abortion is a women only one?

No, of course not.

Are we somehow saying the decision to have an abortion should be legislated by a room full of men?

[Livia]

Can a roomful of men... or indeed women... or a mixture of both, please legislate against the use of the term snowflake?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

Can a roomful of men... or indeed women... or a mixture of both, please legislate against the use of the term snowflake?

At least until the Flakes made with white chocolate on the inside are re-released by Cadburys anyway. Bloody lovely they were.

[Alf]

I heard the term 'Snowflake' comes from the film 'Fight club', is that true?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Shaun

At least until the Flakes made with white chocolate on the inside are re-released by Cadburys anyway. Bloody lovely they were.

Mmmmm I could eat some of those right now.

Originally Posted by Alf

I heard the term 'Snowflake' comes from the film 'Fight club', is that true?

Haven't seen it... I looked it up on Urban Dictionary. I'm so square.

[Withano]

Flakes (the chocolate bar) are also pretty fragile, maybe that word will do too when describing an easily triggered/upset/outraged individual.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Flakes (the chocolate bar) are also pretty fragile, maybe that word will do too when describing an easily triggered/upset/outraged individual.

Why don't you just debate your opinion and stop calling people silly names.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by the truth

lets hope it allows more innocent harmless healthy babies the chance to live their lives

Who is going to look after them - you think people can force the mothers to do that too.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why don't you just debate your opinion and stop calling people silly names.

Meh, it was in response to being told I was being personally abusive in a thread that I made one post I'm sure I'm less fine with this complete lie than the other member is with being called snowflake. I'm sure its less of your concern than you like to think it is too.

Also, the background youve missed is that the original member popularised the term
But you seem comfortable enough on that high horse, so we'll move on.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Meh, it was in response to being told I was being personally abusive in a thread that I made one post I'm sure I'm less fine with this complete lie than the other member is with being called snowflake. I'm sure its less of your concern than you like to think it is too.

Also, the background youve missed is that the original member popularised the term
But I'm sure youre comfortable enough on that high horse, so we'll move on.

Well, I'm not on a high horse. But I can understand that it might look like that from where you are.

See? We can go backwards and forwards with this all night. Tedious. I wasn't rude to you get you had to come back with an insult.

We're all pretty nice people on here, with strong opinions. Let's try to get on more. Because frankly, it's a pain in the arse to go into a thread and see everyone being so bitchy. If we were all in a room rather than online it would be so different.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, I'm not on a high horse. But I can understand that it might look like that from where you are.

See? We can go backwards and forwards with this all night. Tedious. I wasn't rude to you get you had to come back with an insult.

We're all pretty nice people on here, with strong opinions. Let's try to get on more. Because frankly, it's a pain in the arse to go into a thread and see everyone being so bitchy. If we were all in a room rather than online it would be so different.

. I used the term snowflake in retaliation to something a lot worse.. Pretty similar to what you've done here, are you a fan of irony? Put me on that extensive ignore list if you dont like me behaving this way.. But umm.. Youve kind of done the same.