[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a debate, if you don't want to participate that's fine.
I hear lots of 'we are going to do' but when the opportunity arises to act in parliament they do nothing...it's all just empty promises.

Do I believe everything I read in the independent? thanks I will come to you in future when I need to know what I'm thinking.

Ah the Independent - nothing left leaning about that source of information then.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ah the Independent - nothing left leaning about that source of information then.

Do you just never read posts and make your own arguments instead? I thought you only did that with me, I'm hurt!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Theresa May is a fair leader she is mot like the other Tories she genuinley cares about everybody

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I still don't get how a very slim majority (most of the Brexiters being older generations) can dictate all of the terms to 48% of the country (which most of the Remainers being the younger generation) I know it's a very controversial statement that I'm making here but shouldn't there be some give and take in such a strong vote? Especially considering the younger generations will be living in a society that most of us didn't even ask for.

That's how a referendum works?

The young people who wanted to remain should've really got off their butts and gone out and voted.Many didn't and then complain about the result.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That's how a referendum works?

The young people who wanted to remain should've really got off their butts and gone out and voted.Many didn't and then complain about the result.

A referendum is one question, not a badge of authority to shut down ALL further discussion of any related issue, much as some seem to wish was the case. The same people who think that using the word "remoaner" is a good tactic to "embarrass" people into not sharing their opinions.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No one said anything about a great future being in the EU, just a stable one.

Speaking personally for myself, having the Tories having full control over this country terrifies me as I'm in the Working class spectrum and we all know how this party treats the working class and our Human Rights before the EU was how it is today, and even then it's still hard work for them to curb the Tories into following the basic Human Rights that the EU asks for us to follow.

Btw I'm not talking about the European Court of Human Rights as that's a seperate entity.

Having unelected EU beaurocrats having full control of this country for 40 years terrified me. Their treatment of Greece and other countries the EU project is bankrupting terrified me. Their lack of compromise and flexibility is particularly terrifying. Even more terrifying is the illusion that all our human rights and workers rights are so dependent on the EU that we will have none without it.

The lack of information and knowledge about the EU and the fact we've often led the way with regard the rights of our people EU or not amazes me from people who want it so desperately. Like another regular author on this forum you seem under illusion we had no rights before the EU and any we had were not good enough and were cancelled by the EU or that we had no part in making any of the rights that came from the EU.

Worrying about the Tories and human rights is paranoia. They are a government and can be held accountable. If you are afraid of a conservative government get involved in politics and try to help labour get their act together.

If you want something real to worry about, worry about the fact that human beings sleep rough in our cities every night in 2017 and every year previously whoever the government is.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A referendum is one question, not a badge of authority to shut down ALL further discussion of any related issue, much as some seem to wish was the case. The same people who think that using the word "remoaner" is a good tactic to "embarrass" people into not sharing their opinions.

Or a badge to keep threatening the UK with, nor a repeating process until you get the result you want. Someone needs to explain all this to Nicola, not the one in the BB house, the other one.

Unsure why anyone would be so embarrassed by the word remoaner they wouldn't want to share an opinion. Sounds very thin skinned if true. At best it's a little rude, it's certainly softer and a lot more comical than the insults heaped on those of us who wanted to leave. I've seen far worse implied on this forum. I've been told in this very thread I'm not capable of debate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Or a badge to keep threatening the UK with, nor a repeating process until you get the result you want. Someone needs to explain all this to Nicola, not the one in the BB house, the other one.

Unsure why anyone would be so embarrassed by the word remoaner they wouldn't want to share an opinion. Sounds very thin skinned if true. At best it's a little rude, it's certainly softer and a lot more comical than the insults heaped on those of us who wanted to leave. I've seen far worse implied on this forum. I've been told in this very thread I'm not capable of debate.

I said that some people seem to THINK that it's a good tactic to shut people up... not that it actually IS a good tactic . I can't imagine it ever gets much reaction beyond a big ol' yawn.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Or a badge to keep threatening the UK with, nor a repeating process until you get the result you want. Someone needs to explain all this to Nicola, not the one in the BB house, the other one.

Unsure why anyone would be so embarrassed by the word remoaner they wouldn't want to share an opinion. Sounds very thin skinned if true. At best it's a little rude, it's certainly softer and a lot more comical than the insults heaped on those of us who wanted to leave. I've seen far worse implied on this forum. I've been told in this very thread I'm not capable of debate.

'Sounds very thin skinned if true.'

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Sounds very thin skinned if true.'

That's not fair Dezzy, I would be wounded if I was told that I wasn't capable of debate.

[the truth]

the bremaniacs are profoundly anti economic

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

the bremaniacs are profoundly anti economic

Not idly do the Leaves of Lórien fall

[Niamh.]

The Bremaniacs sounds like an 80's band

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

the bremaniacs are profoundly anti economic

Cute braniac play-on-word there. Is that because remain are significantly more likely to be graduates statistically, or cos we were right about many negative Brexit effects?

[Alf]

I'm just so proud of myself, for playing my part in saving democracy.

You are free to thank me.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Sounds very thin skinned if true.'

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not fair Dezzy, I would be wounded if I was told that I wasn't capable of debate.

Well you know I didn't want to mention what we have been called, why would I lower my standards?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You are very welcome. You seem keen to tell others what to read. How am I not participating?

Nope... In your post you presume I only read the Independent, that is wrong.
I asked if anyone was wishing they had voted differently, you don't I see that, you have participated, thank you.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope... In your post you presume I only read the Independent, that is wrong.
I asked if anyone was wishing they had voted differently, you don't I see that, you have participated, thank you.

No you'll find I didn't say that. I said you wouldn't be wise to believe everything you read in it either.

I do appreciate your telling me what to do, Kizzy, however did I run my life without you?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ah the Independent - nothing left leaning about that source of information then.

Who mentioned the Independant first?...not me.

This is a good example of fake news, the Independent was suggested by another poster and projected towards myself... You now presume all my sources are via there, they are not.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No you'll find I didn't say that. I said you wouldn't be wise to believe everything you read in it either.

I do appreciate your telling me what to do, Kizzy, however did I run my life without you?

'believing everything you read in the independent'

This is what you said, I have no idea how you run your life, but I'm glad I could help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Problem was one section of society were so convinced that UKIP was evil that Nigel was HItler that that "type" of person was not worthy of being right that when they were and their worldview was not what they thought it was we get what we have now, even a thread like this or the...womens march

I can understand why this hurts and people will stop at nothing to try and upturn their boat

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'believing everything you read in the independent'

This is what you said, I have no idea how you run your life, but I'm glad I could help.

Yes that's what I said I said. How is that presuming you don't read any other news?

In fact to be specific I said: Speaking of the press I'd suggest believing everything you read in the independent is a touch dodgy also.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Yes that's what I said I said. How is that presuming you don't read any other news?

Is is making a presumption isn't it if you want to be pedantic.
Could we say I don't believe everything I read in the Independent and clear this up please, save it derailing the thread further?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Problem was one section of society were so convinced that UKIP was evil that Nigel was HItler that that "type" of person was not worthy of being right that when they were and their worldview was not what they thought it was we get what we have now, even a thread like this or the...womens march

I can understand why this hurts and people will stop at nothing to try and upturn their boat

I'm still convinced UKIP are a shower of ****e... it doesn't hurt me to express this.