[Kizzy]

Better get his red pen out then...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-sign-petition

[Ashsleigh]

As much as I dislike the self-righteous prat, I'm anything but petty, and will not be signing petitions to spite Trump OR those trying to oppose him.

And yes, 1.5 million have signed that petition thus far, presumably more now... But 60 million haven't. Surely that in itself is evidence enough without the need for a second petition.

[Alf]

Ignore the haters Donnie-boy, most of us are very hospitable in this country, it's just a few bad eggs.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Ignore the haters Donnie-boy, most of us are very hospitable in this country, it's just a few bad eggs.

You're only saying that because you agree... even like what Trump is doing. The reason I protest is, I hate what he's doing and I want to send a clear message to Farage and May that Britain would never stand for this sort of nonsense.

You may think I'm wrong but for a Brit, you're in the minority.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You're only saying that because you agree... even like what Trump is doing. The reason I protest is, I hate what he's doing and I want to send a clear message to Farage and May that Britain would never stand for this sort of nonsense.

You may think I'm wrong but for a Brit, you're in the minority.

How about you protest for me then?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alf

How about you protest for me then?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You're only saying that because you agree... even like what Trump is doing. The reason I protest is, I hate what he's doing and I want to send a clear message to Farage and May that Britain would never stand for this sort of nonsense.

You may think I'm wrong but for a Brit, you're in the minority.

Farage isn't in government, hasn't he retired from politics?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Farage isn't in government, hasn't he retired from politics?

Then why is he everywhere.... If we have elected representatives to speak for us why is this unelected echo chamber all over the media?

Who's idea was that? hmm :/

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then why is he everywhere.... If we have elected representatives to speak for us why is this unelected echo chamber all over the media?

Who's idea was that? hmm :/

You'd have to ask the press who fete him wouldn't you. Why are you asking me?

[the truth]

263000 want trump to come, not a bad total in just 2 days

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sign the petition to support Trump's visit.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

Where were the protests and petitions when Robert Mugabe had a state visit? And what about China? They have Human Rights abuses going back into history. There was a small protest but nothing on this scale.

We export more stuff to the US than to any other country. While that doesn't mean we should put up with any crap from the US, it does mean that we should think long and hard before we let a minority of people sour any kind of relationship with the US. Trump will not be president forevever, we should keep ourselves in a position to have a word when we don't agree with something instead of alienating ourselves completely ourselves.

The difference is that the US is a close ally for us, and the fact that his already tried to stop legal immigrants from being able to come back to his own country shows that he has dangerous tendancies which could end up being a more mild version of China/Zimbabwe.

However having said that, after Brexit it's a necessary evil to have to allign with Trump as even though we'll get the worst deals in most things, we do need allies and America will at least help us a little bit, although I'm honestly not sure for how long he'll want to do that though as his aim seems to be having America isolate itself from everybody else.

For the UK we sadly do need Trump, I also think that India wouldn't be a bad idea either as building blocks.

[Northern Monkey]

Well Farage is powerless but he is still relevant as he gave us the gift of Brexit.And he's still standing up and slinging mud at the EU leaders in Brussels.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well Farage is powerless but he is still relevant as he gave us the gift of Brexit.And he's still standing up and slinging mud at the EU leaders in Brussels.

Here here!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You're only saying that because you agree... even like what Trump is doing. The reason I protest is, I hate what he's doing and I want to send a clear message to Farage and May that Britain would never stand for this sort of nonsense.

You may think I'm wrong but for a Brit, you're in the minority.

How have you decided that you are in the majority? Have you based it on an internet petition? I think you'll find that being a noisy minority doesn't make you a righteous majority.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well Farage is powerless but he is still relevant as he gave us the gift of Brexit.And he's still standing up and slinging mud at the EU leaders in Brussels.

For God's sake Money... stop talking sense in this thread. You'll kill the fascinating conversation.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I would say there is possibly one currently who is obviously far right and maybe another with leanings. 5 or 6 I can think of who are far left. Both sides seem to be quite rude to anyone they perceive as being the other way, their perceptions are often mistaken.

Personally I'm in the middle and lean slightly left. I don't feel that there is any political party who represents me. New Labour came close at some points and so did the Lib Dems. I don't believe in a god and I don't particularly like religion, but do believe in live and let live unless said religion has rules that do not give full equality to women. Unfortunately that applies to most religions which are run by men and enforce all kinds of rules upon women who have to live with them.

I am well aware there are some here who view me as on the right, and they are wrong. Mostly because I am strong supporter of Brexit which is quite amusing as you spoke about being a strong supporter of it too and obviously lean quite far left. In fact I would say my feelings of compassion for others is one of the reasons why I am so opposed to the EU.

Unfortunately those with a strong political leaning either way don't seem to listen much to what others are saying. And never see any balance in posts that don't agree with their position. People are far more complicated than that and politics isn't always why they feel the way they do.

I think you are mistaking 'right' with simply not sharing your left leaning passion.

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I would say there is possibly one currently who is obviously far right and maybe another with leanings. 5 or 6 I can think of who are far left. Both sides seem to be quite rude to anyone they perceive as being the other way, their perceptions are often mistaken.

Personally I'm in the middle and lean slightly left. I don't feel that there is any political party who represents me. New Labour came close at some points and so did the Lib Dems. I don't believe in a god and I don't particularly like religion, but do believe in live and let live unless said religion has rules that do not give full equality to women. Unfortunately that applies to most religions which are run by men and enforce all kinds of rules upon women who have to live with them.

I am well aware there are some here who view me as on the right, and they are wrong. Mostly because I am strong supporter of Brexit which is quite amusing as you spoke about being a strong supporter of it too and obviously lean quite far left. In fact I would say my feelings of compassion for others is one of the reasons why I am so opposed to the EU.

Unfortunately those with a strong political leaning either way don't seem to listen much to what others are saying. And never see any balance in posts that don't agree with their position. People are far more complicated than that and politics isn't always why they feel the way they do.

I think you are mistaking 'right' with simply not sharing your left leaning passion.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Both great posts.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Was that something you felt I said after reading one of my blogs?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Was that something you felt I said after reading one of my blogs?

I don't think I have ever read one of your blogs, I don't even know where the blogs are I think it might have been Kizzy said it

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think I have ever read one of your blogs, I don't even know where the blogs are I think it might have been Kizzy said it

Hehe ok

I wrote a blog called 'Fence Sitting' and it went something like...
You know what happens when you sit on the fence? You get splinters in your arse and less chance to choose which side you land.

The view from the fence is usually pretty good, you can see both sides evenly. But it is sometimes uncomfortable as it forces you to examine your own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others.

It is far easier to jump off the fence to one side and then hate those on the other side, rather than it is to search for co-operation and compromise between...


Edited to add: I wish I was more of a fence sitter. Its hard work on this side of the fence!

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hehe ok

I wrote a blog called 'Fence Sitting' and it went something like...
You know what happens when you sit on the fence? You get splinters in your arse and less chance to choose which side you land.

The view from the fence is usually pretty good, you can see both sides evenly. But it is sometimes uncomfortable as it forces you to examine your own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others.

It is far easier to jump off the fence to one side and then hate those on the other side, rather than it is to search for co-operation and compromise between...


Edited to add: I wish I was more of a fence sitter. Its hard work on this side of the fence!

I found it after you mentioned it, a good read DR

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Don't worry i've got splinters in my arse too.
I honestly don't know who i'd vote for now in a GE.I need Labour to get a sensible leader.I'm in no mans land.I like parts of what the Tories stand for and i like parts of Corbyns vision but the last couple of times i've found myself identifying mostly with UKIP.The Lib Dems are dead to me.I honestly can't see me voting next GE.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Don't worry i've got splinters in my arse too.
I honestly don't know who i'd vote for now in a GE.I need Labour to get a sensible leader.I'm in no mans land.I like parts of what the Tories stand for and i like parts of Corbyns vision but the last couple of times i've found myself identifying mostly with UKIP.The Lib Dems are dead to me.I honestly can't see me voting next GE.

I'm in a similar place. We should be able to support Labour but they have completely lost their way in my view.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm in a similar place. We should be able to support Labour but they have completely lost their way in my view.

The UK is in a desperate need of a new party with fresh ideas that aren't too far right or left, but will still have interesting ideas that will give our three main parties a kick up the backside.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Yep that would be me, it was a tongue in cheek remark, no need to get all triggered snowflake

I'm not 'far left' either, so if I have to be pigeonholed so do you.. balance and all that.

We have 'entertained' some questionable leaders, how many were western?

As if anyone is surprised there's a trump loving underbelly in the UK, theres one literally on my doorstep :/

Some people are claiming that people who voted to leave didn’t know what they were voting for, Stuart Andrew, Tory MP for Pudsey says. That shows some complete arrogance and real misunderstanding of people’s concerns and frustrations, he says.

Claims that people voted to leave out of racism or prejudice really angered him. “That is frankly disgraceful,” he says. “We are not little Englanders. We are now big Britainers.”




https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

[Liberty4eva]

This petition thing is silly. A part of me wants to see the uk parliament ban trump. Do you know what he'll do? He will ban all the all members who voted for it from the usa. Now that would be hillarious.