[anne666]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kate McCann was next to check on the children, at 10pm. She ran back to the restaurant moments later, saying Madeleine was missing. The McCanns and their friends made a quick search of the resort, but after finding no sign of Madeleine the police were called at 10.14pm.

Crucially, however, the apartment was not initially treated as a crime scene, meaning around 20 people went in and out before it was sealed off, contaminating potential evidence. Roadblocks were not put in place until 10am the next day, border guards were not informed for hours and Interpol did not put out a global missing persons alert for five days.

It meant that the most crucial time of any missing persons investigation – the first 24 hours – was largely squandered

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...owing-the-tru/

So much incorrect information.
You might find reading the PJ files http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ more helpful than the litigious McCanns allowed "versions", via the threatened British media. On the subject of the police files. Did they use public donations from their lucrative "Company", not a charity, for this?
McCanns paid £100,000 to TRANSLATE Files WHY haven't they released them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHBN4-e2Og
The police weren't called until 10.40 by a Warner employee, not the McCanns or any of their friends. They arrived at the resort within 10 to 15 minutes. The McCanns and several people they allowed into the apartment and the bedroom before the police arrived at their apartment all contaminated the scene. The police sealed it off.
How DARE the McCanns Claim the Portuguese Police Did NOTHING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzG-ZwP42do

What would you do if your 3 year old was missing as they claimed? Most parents would immediately search and carry on searching. Her not bothering was well known at the time. In this their first BBC interview she's asked one simple question, did she as a mother ever just think she might like to get out and search for her own missing child. Not, did she get out and search. Her answer, not physical searching but they were busy.
The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8
Why wouldn't parents search for their "missing" helpless child?

They instead chose to stay in the apartment with their friends and focus on far more important issues. Like McCanns deleting all but one call log and all texts from both phones covering their entire time in Portugal. Now why would anyone want or need to do that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

[the truth]

Originally Posted by anne666

So much incorrect information.
You might find reading the PJ files http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ more helpful than the litigious McCanns allowed "versions", via the threatened British media. On the subject of the police files. Did they use public donations from their lucrative "Company", not a charity, for this?
McCanns paid £100,000 to TRANSLATE Files WHY haven't they released them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHBN4-e2Og
The police weren't called until 10.40 by a Warner employee, not the McCanns or any of their friends. They arrived at the resort within 10 to 15 minutes. The McCanns and several people they allowed into the apartment and the bedroom before the police arrived at their apartment all contaminated the scene. The police sealed it off.
How DARE the McCanns Claim the Portuguese Police Did NOTHING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzG-ZwP42do

What would you do if your 3 year old was missing as they claimed? Most parents would immediately search and carry on searching. Her not bothering was well known at the time. In this their first BBC interview she's asked one simple question, did she as a mother ever just think she might like to get out and search for her own missing child. Not, did she get out and search. Her answer, not physical searching but they were busy.
The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8
Why wouldn't parents search for their "missing" helpless child?

They instead chose to stay in the apartment with their friends and focus on far more important issues. Like McCanns deleting all but one call log and all texts from both phones covering their entire time in Portugal. Now why would anyone want or need to do that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

biggest cover up since jimmy saville

[ebandit]

..........it's certainly puzzling...............i too think 'cover up'...............but why?

..........mostly cover up by the parents...with their friends help

Mark L

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ebandit

..........it's certainly puzzling...............i too think 'cover up'...............but why?

..........mostly cover up by the parents...with their friends help

Mark L

Anyone can see from reading the statements of all the couples that they were lying, their stories have loads of inconsistencies and they all (including the McCanns) refused to do a reconstruction which is odd if you're trying to find your missing child

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ebandit

..........it's certainly puzzling...............i too think 'cover up'...............but why?

..........mostly cover up by the parents...with their friends help

Mark L

Because of the others involved ,too many people will go down with them

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jsLkwa7cc

2 WEEKS after Maddies demise,her Grandma and Great uncle, never even mention her name when begging for cash for "fund" Nice to hear Kate,Gerry are cheered up by the fund filling up

[the truth]

they are scum

[ebandit]

....we are all scum.....some more scummier than others.............

was there much dirt on the mc canns prior to this incident....or would it be callous

to go a hunting for such knowing their 'loss'?

Mark L

[Vicky.]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7588281.html

Madeleine McCann’s parents have launched a fresh legal battle to overturn a Portuguese court ruling that failed to clear them of involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.

Kate and Gerry McCann’s lawyer confirmed they would use money from the “Find Madeleine” fund in a bid to overturn the ruling, and challenge claims by former police chief Goncalo Amaral that they had faked their daughter's abduction.

Sure thats what people donated to the fund for...more legal battles. I do wonder quite how much of the fund has actually gone on searching. I doubt the figure is very substantial, if it exists at all...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7588281.html



Sure thats what people donated to the fund for...more legal battles. I do wonder quite how much of the fund has actually gone on searching. I doubt the figure is very substantial, if it exists at all...

It's terrible really, people hand over their hard earned cash because a little girl is "missing" and it's heartbreaking and then that little girls parents take that money and use it to sue people, it's disgusting actually

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's terrible really, people hand over their hard earned cash because a little girl is "missing" and it's heartbreaking and then that little girls parents take that money and use it to sue people, it's disgusting actually

Not only that, they take money donated to find out what happened to her... and use it to further complicate that search for answers.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not only that, they take money donated to find out what happened to her... and use it to further complicate that search for answers.

Indeed, I'd be raging if I'd donated anything to them

[Niamh.]

A Sky news report :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuuj...ature=youtu.be

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A Sky news report :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuuj...ature=youtu.be

Is this a recent one Niamh ? it's very damming of them don't you think ?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is this a recent one Niamh ? it's very damming of them don't you think ?

I think it was from when they were made suspects

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think it was from when they were made suspects

It still points their way,I am torn to think they would do anything to their own child but the evidence does seem very damming,I just don't understand why things seem to be so hush up on this case,so many things that don't add up such as the sports bag,the cadaver dogs,the fridge being replaced,the room being bleached and cleaned including the curtains( I go on holiday to get away from chores like that) the lying and refusals to do lie detector tests,the doors being unlocked etc I could go on,but something is very dodgy about it all,I just don't know what would drive them to keep it all going unless they are innocent,but it looks doubtful that they had no hand in it all.I was always of the thought that Madeliene woke up and wandered off to find them and maybe fell into an old mine shaft etc or building site or even the sea,it's so very complicated,you want to believe they are innocent but everything points to them having something to do with it, even the pics of them smiling not long after don't seem right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by anne666

So much incorrect information.
You might find reading the PJ files http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ more helpful than the litigious McCanns allowed "versions", via the threatened British media. On the subject of the police files. Did they use public donations from their lucrative "Company", not a charity, for this?
McCanns paid £100,000 to TRANSLATE Files WHY haven't they released them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHBN4-e2Og
The police weren't called until 10.40 by a Warner employee, not the McCanns or any of their friends. They arrived at the resort within 10 to 15 minutes. The McCanns and several people they allowed into the apartment and the bedroom before the police arrived at their apartment all contaminated the scene. The police sealed it off.
How DARE the McCanns Claim the Portuguese Police Did NOTHING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzG-ZwP42do

What would you do if your 3 year old was missing as they claimed? Most parents would immediately search and carry on searching. Her not bothering was well known at the time. In this their first BBC interview she's asked one simple question, did she as a mother ever just think she might like to get out and search for her own missing child. Not, did she get out and search. Her answer, not physical searching but they were busy.
The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8
Why wouldn't parents search for their "missing" helpless child?

They instead chose to stay in the apartment with their friends and focus on far more important issues. Like McCanns deleting all but one call log and all texts from both phones covering their entire time in Portugal. Now why would anyone want or need to do that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

you can look at spurious conspiracy websites and youtube bolloxio but I think I will stick with trained braodsheet journalists and Scotland Yard

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It still points their way,I am torn to think they would do anything to their own child but the evidence does seem very damming,I just don't understand why things seem to be so hush up on this case,so many things that don't add up such as the sports bag,the cadaver dogs,the fridge being replaced,the room being bleached and cleaned including the curtains( I go on holiday to get away from chores like that) the lying and refusals to do lie detector tests,the doors being unlocked etc I could go on,but something is very dodgy about it all,I just don't know what would drive them to keep it all going unless they are innocent,but it looks doubtful that they had no hand in it all.I was always of the thought that Madeliene woke up and wandered off to find them and maybe fell into an old mine shaft etc or building site or even the sea,it's so very complicated,you want to believe they are innocent but everything points to them having something to do with it, even the pics of them smiling not long after don't seem right.

I don't think they harmed her, i think maybe the kids were dosed up so the would sleep while the parents went out, Maddie woke and was groggy maybe climbed on the back of the couch to look out the window for them and fell and hit her head/broke her neck and died. The Dogs evidence would point to this as they found the cadaver scent and blood behind the couch and on the wall behind the couch

[anne666]

If this couple know Maddie died, setting up a fund is fraud. Add that to the list of what they might well be desperate avoid. I basically agree with the PJ. When they were left alone, Madeleine had a fatal accident inside or in the garden of the apartment, where the Cadaver dog gave a particularly swift and strong alert. I don't necessarily agree that it happened that night.
They had good reason not to bother searching and for having other far more important priorities. The lot of them must have been horrified when the PJ files were released. How long does the tax paying public have to carry on being treated like this and more importantly, why?
I don't know if anyone's read this,
Ex-Notts Detective Superintendent Peter MacLeod's very enlightening free e-book which covers all of the basic important elements in detail.
http://freepdfhosting.com/dc46088f9b.pdf

As is this, which he refers to in the book.
The McCann's: Embedded Confessions - Statement Analyst Peter Hyatt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6ucYudNAo

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by anne666

If this couple know Maddie died, setting up a fund is fraud. Add that to the list of what they might well be desperate avoid. I basically agree with the PJ, she had a fatal accident inside or in the garden of the apartment where the Cadaver dog gave a particularly swift and strong alert. I don't necessarily agree that it happened that night.
They had good reason not to bother searching and having other far more important priorities. The lot of them must have been horrified when the PJ files were released. How long does the tax paying public have to carry on being treated like this and more importantly, why?
I don't know if anyone's read this,
Ex-Notts Detective Superintendent Peter MacLeod's very enlightening free e-book which covers all of the basic important elements in detail.
http://freepdfhosting.com/dc46088f9b.pdf

As is this, which he refers to in the book.
The McCann's: Embedded Confessions - Statement Analyst Peter Hyatt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6ucYudNAo

Yeah neither do I, they would need more time to hide her body and work out a plan of action

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think they harmed her, i think maybe the kids were dosed up so the would sleep while the parents went out, Maddie woke and was groggy maybe climbed on the back of the couch to look out the window for them and fell and hit her head/broke her neck and died. The Dogs evidence would point to this as they found the cadaver scent and blood behind the couch and on the wall behind the couch

Yes,I forgot about the couch and the dosing of the children,if that was the case ,it's still terrible for them to cover that up ,infact probably worse than one of them losing their temper for a second and accidently killing her.I wonder if we will ever find out ?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,I forgot about the couch and the dosing of the children,if that was the case ,it's still terrible for them to cover that up ,infact probably worse than one of them losing their temper for a second and accidently killing her.I wonder if we will ever find out ?

I think it's doubtful at this stage, i hope I'm wrong though

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you can look at spurious conspiracy websites and youtube bolloxio but I think I will stick with trained braodsheet journalists and Scotland Yard

Hows about...the actual police files? All papers talk crap. Scotland yard aren't talking. Yet the interviews and such are there for all to see the inconsistencies and lies

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hows about...the actual police files? All papers talk crap. Scotland yard aren't talking. Yet the interviews and such are there for all to see the inconsistencies and lies

They're Portuguese Police files though don't you know......foreign ones

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah neither do I, they would need more time to hide her body and work out a plan of action

The problem with this is that it seems there are witnesses that Madeleine was alive up til about 5pm

So it still only leaves 5 hours.

The only problem I have with Amarals theory, is the fridge. It seems so...out there to stash the body there then transport it in the hire car. BUT there is no denying something happened in that car. And with the DNA markers found, if it had been in the UK that would have been enough to convict. Luckily for the McCanns, Portugal is a bit stricter with DNA evidence..