[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're oversimplifying to put words in people's mouthes again Livia. Belief in god (which is what I would call faith?) and observing and following an organised human religion are not the same thing. The former is not inherently irrational but the latter is.

As I said before, I'll continue to correct you every time you (deliberately...) misrepresent this stance.

100% agree here, personally I would say that those who identify as having a belief system without subscribing to a religion are at a serious disadvantage, as they can't piously attend whichever branch of whatever religion on prescribed days, whilst the rest of the time turn a blind eye to issues that could at best be described as inhumanity.

For me that is illogical.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you interpret someone's words, it's your interpretation. If someone else interprets your words, they're putting words in your mouth.

You don't believe in God and need constantly to question those who do, to talk about indoctrination and and how illogical it all is. I say, if you don't have faith you don't understand... you call that "convenient".

I believe in God and believe that relationship is strictly between Him and me. I don't care whether someone else does or doesn't believe. I don't want to recruit you, I don't want to persuade you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would just like you to try to understand that my religious belief is mine and if you don't buy it... fine.

'Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you.'

Or... You actually did put words in his mouth?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you.'

Or... You actually did put words in his mouth?

no. he did

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

no. he did

Did he suggest he was called stupid?... I must have missed that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Did he suggest he was called stupid?... I must have missed that.

he?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

no. he did

I believe that is He with a capital H

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you.'

Or... You actually did put words in his mouth?

Why are you chiming in at this late stage? TS definitely doesn't need a spokesperson.

[Kizzy]

Late stage? I was the 4th person to comment in the thread. You had your input into truths grievance and the whole religion/faith issue... now I'm having mine.
I'm not attempting to be anyones spokesperson.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

100% agree here, personally I would say that those who identify as having a belief system without subscribing to a religion are at a serious disadvantage, as they can't piously attend whichever branch of whatever religion on prescribed days, whilst the rest of the time turn a blind eye to issues that could at best be described as inhumanity.

For me that is illogical.

For fear of being accused of putting words in your mouth, perhaps you'd like to explain what you mean exactly? Are ALL followers of organised religions "pious" and turning a blind eye to inhamanity? Because your post looks like it's referring to them all. But I acknowledge it was probably just said to provoke a reaction as usual. Whilst at the same time, you're singling out people like yourself, who claim to have a belief system - Wicca, wasn't it? - as being "at a serious disadvantage". What kind of disadvantage do you believe you are at, exactly?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Late stage? I was the 4th person to comment in the thread. You had your input into truths grievance and the whole religion/faith issue... now I'm having mine.
I'm not attempting to be anyones spokesperson.

No, of course not. It took you quite a long time to reply though... you started to reply, logged out, returned and posted. Thanks for taking the trouble.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

For fear of being accused of putting words in your mouth, perhaps you'd like to explain what you mean exactly? Are ALL followers of organised religions "pious" and turning a blind eye to inhamanity? Because your post looks like it's referring to them all. But I acknowledge it was probably just said to provoke a reaction as usual. Whilst at the same time, you're singling out people like yourself, who claim to have a belief system - Wicca, wasn't it? - as being "at a serious disadvantage". What kind of disadvantage do you believe you are at, exactly?

I had to fact check you then and in 2013 I actually did say that well done... only because it wasn't on the list tbh

The disadvantage of not being able to act/think/ in a hateful manner and believe that because they subscribe to a religion they are morally absolved.

By no means was it said to provoke a reaction, this is how I feel on the subject, that some by no means all simply pay lip service to a religion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, of course not. It took you quite a long time to reply though... you started to reply, logged out, returned and posted. Thanks for taking the trouble.

Are you stalking me? :/

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you stalking me? :/

God, no...

[Kizzy]

Blasphemy

[Livia]

I find God has quite a good sense of humour. I don't think it'd worry him, considering the rest of the sh1t that's going on in the world.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you interpret someone's words, it's your interpretation. If someone else interprets your words, they're putting words in your mouth.

You don't believe in God and need constantly to question those who do, to talk about indoctrination and and how illogical it all is. I say, if you don't have faith you don't understand... you call that "convenient".

I believe in God and believe that relationship is strictly between Him and me. I don't care whether someone else does or doesn't believe. I don't want to recruit you, I don't want to persuade you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would just like you to try to understand that my religious belief is mine and if you don't buy it... fine.

I don't "need" to constantly question people but I do find it interesting. No one is forcing you to talk about it, Livia... . You could just not.

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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I believe that is He with a capital H

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I believe that is He with a capital H