[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How is that tbe EUs fault though, Bulgaria was like that before they joined the EU aswell

Because the EU promised a better life for Bulgarian citizens but have failed to deliver

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Omg you don't say!

I'd rather an independent Scotland followed the select rules voted on by the EU member states than not be a proper country that's governed by Tories for the foreseeable future

No need for sarcasm is there.

Any country that is part of a union and has to follow someone else's rules etc is not truly independent, it really is simple.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Scotland will be at the back of the line when it comes to trading with the UK

I'm screaming is this a joke? The UK is DESPERATE for trade deals and Scotland is England's biggest export partner and NEAREST NEIGHBOUR :joker: :joker:

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I'm screaming is this a joke? The UK is DESPERATE for trade deals and Scotland is England's biggest export partner and NEAREST NEIGHBOUR

Scotland will have nothing to offer the UK

[Greg!]

Wow

[Denver]

Scotland will have no economy and will be a stand alone country with no EU for years.

Most of their income is from the UK so once that goes they have nothing

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As Scotland would no longer be part of the UK trade deals would have to be negotiated similar to how the UK have to renegotiate with the EU

The UK is only renegotiating a new trade deal with the EU because the UK government has CHOSEN to leave the single market so that they can pander to UKIP voters and reduce immigration. Scotland and the UK have no reason to ditch the UK single market so they won't.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

The UK is only renegotiating a new trade deal with the EU because the UK government has CHOSEN to leave the single market so that they can pander to UKIP voters and reduce immigration. Scotland and the UK have no reason to ditch the UK single market so they won't.

If you want to be part of the EU then you cant have a single market with the UK

[Greg!]

Hmm yes you can

[Denver]

You follow by the EU trading rules not make your own

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Because the EU promised a better life for Bulgarian citizens but have failed to deliver

No Bulgarians hoped that the EU were miracle workers more like, every country is still independant despite being in the EU

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No Bulgarians hoped that the EU were miracle workers more like, every country is still independant despite being in the EU

Is it though? look at how they have destroyed the economies of countries

[Denver]

The EU is not what it was made out to be and hasnt been for 10-15 years

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Josy

No need for sarcasm is there.

Any country that is part of a union and has to follow someone else's rules etc is not truly independent, it really is simple.

In that case, any state that's a part of NATO, the UN or any other international body isn't an independent country.

The fact is, while Scotland is a part of the UK, it isn't an independent country. If it leaves the UK, it will be and will be free to chart its own course in the world

[Denver]

Im all for a wall at the top of the country and Scots crying because they are no longer allowed in the UK when they want

[joeysteele]

Nice one, hope this happens and the Scots vote for independence this time.
The so called UK will have to change its name.

I will be safely tucked up out of the backward looking and moving England dominated UK,to pasturesnew in the more forward Nation of Eire thank goodness this year.
Maybe even changes loom in N Ireland too over brexit as well.

Leaving only the dictatorial England to just sink further after not only leaving the EU but tearing the so called United Kingdom apart in the process.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

In that case, any state that's a part of NATO, the UN or any other international body isn't an independent country.

The fact is, while Scotland is a part of the UK, it isn't an independent country. If it leaves the UK, it will be and will be free to chart its own course in the world

Yeah obviously and then snp will hand the independence over to the EU which is exactly what I said on my first post that you've been arguing against ever since

[Greg!]

and I explained why the UK and EU are completely different. After Independence the SNP could be voted out anyway if Scotland suddenly decided it wanted to leave the EU

[Denver]

But it will be the only party available the others are British

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But it will be the only party available the others are British

The tories and labour have their own Scottish parties. Like, they would continue to exist

[Denver]

They would need to be reformed

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Greg!

In that case, any state that's a part of NATO, the UN or any other international body isn't an independent country.

The fact is, while Scotland is a part of the UK, it isn't an independent country. If it leaves the UK, it will be and will be free to chart its own course in the world

sounds like a Brexit policy

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Greg!

The UK is only renegotiating a new trade deal with the EU because the UK government has CHOSEN to leave the single market so that they can pander to UKIP voters and reduce immigration. Scotland and the UK have no reason to ditch the UK single market so they won't.

You can't be part of the EU and pick and choose who you trade with, it's quite complex if you leave the UK you will have to reapply to join the EU and that could take years so you would neither have the single market or a trade deal with the UK to begin with, Spain has already said they would block Scotland as an Indy country joining, it would be even more of a mess than Brexit if that's possible

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Is it though? look at how they have destroyed the economies of countries

The whole world was in recession not just those in the EU Adam, bloody hell

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The whole world was in recession not just those in the EU Adam, bloody hell

But the EU were very unreasonable