[DemolitionRed]

Did Professor Rund Koopmans also do a study on Hindu, ultra orthodox Jews and ultra orthodox Christians?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I love you Niamh... but if you think male circumcision and female genital mutilation are at all comparable, you really don't know enough about FGM.

They are comparable in the sense, it's cutting off a part of a childs genitals without consent and for no good reason (unless it's medically required) I am well aware that it's much worse for a female, I've already said that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They are comparable in the sense, it's cutting off a part of a childs genitals without consent and for no good reason (unless it's medically required) I am well aware that it's much worse for a female, I've already said that

Livia confuses the terms "comparable" and "equatable" despite my best efforts. I think it's just defiance at this point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

In the 60's/70's in Yorkshire, quite a few Asian families moved into our area to work in the cotton mills. Everyone seemed to get along fine. They didn't try to interfere in our way of life and we accorded them the same courtesy. Then the asian population grew and with it came the imams and that's when problems started to arise.
When muslims are only a small minority they manage to get along with people, but as soon as their numbers grow. so does their aggression and demands.
In parts of London 'sharia patrols' are out after dark forbidding non muslims from walking past their mosques, telling British women how to dress and heckling anyone who they percieve as gay.
What's really alarming is that a non muslim would almost certainly be jailed for uttering racist remarks to a muslim, yet muslims can scream death threats and 'down with britain' and 'kill the police', even when the police are there and very little if anything is done about it.
Radical muslims feed on democracy and the freedom it gives them to infiltrate our countries, yet would be the first to stamp out and last vestige of freedom or democracy for us.

That doesn't happen, yes there were one of two cases near Whitechapel where this happened, but there are no "no go" muslim ghettos in London, I live in a very multicutural area, my sons school were 90 per cent asian and there are no problems apart from the usual idiots that you get in every culture.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Can I ask how you found this article. I have a feeling you probably typed 'Muslims hate the West' in to Google.

And your feelings would be wrong, as usual. It was a perfectly valid factual article from a non- right wing source - all the more reason to attempt to dismiss it Hey.

You have your own agenda and will only hear what you want to hear. I doubt too many are influenced by that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And your feelings would be wrong, as usual. It was a perfectly valid factual article from a non- right wing source - all the more reason to attempt to dismiss it Hey.

You have your own agenda and will only hear what you want to hear. I doubt too many are influenced by that.

Right, no, but that cant be true really. Nobody believes that you stumbled on this website and just scrolled back until 2016 (and even then, you would have decided to open this and not the hundreds of articles before that date). So you must have searched for a keyword somewhere.

So how did you find his article, why did you skirt around that very direct question?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right, no, but that cant be true really. Nobody believes that you stumbled on this website and just scrolled back until 2016 (and even then, you would have decided to open this and not the hundreds of articles before that date). So you must have searched for a keyword somewhere.

So how did you find his article, why did you skirt around that very direct question?

I really don't care whether you believe me or not. I was interested in the problems experienced across Europe with mass immigration and Islam. That was just one example of what I found.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I really don't care whether you believe me or not. I was interested in the problems experienced across Europe with mass immigration and Islam. That was just one example of what I found.

Believe you or not? You havent answered how you came across the article yet lol! You havent put me in a posistion to not believe you. (The rest of your post isnt really relevant to the only discussion I'm having with you on the subject).

[Withano]

So can you answer how you came across the article or is that top secret stuff

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

So can you answer how you came across the article or is that top secret stuff

Only in your head.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only in your head.

So you cant answer how you came across the article...
... so when I suggested that you probably searched in to google for an article precisely or similiar to the one you found, I can assume I was correct?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

So you cant answer how you came across the article...
... so when I suggested that you probably searched in to google for an article precisely or similiar to the one you found, I can assume I was correct?

You and your conspiracy theories - Islamic migration in the West - see for yourself. Read it and weep.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You and your conspiracy theories - Islamic migration in the West - see for yourself. Read it and weep.

Thats not relevant to the one and only question i have asked you in this thread. (I have asked you about five times and you diverting it each time makes you look super silly, its a very easy question).

How did you come across the article.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats not relevant to the one and only question i have asked you in this thread. (I have asked you about five times and you diverting it each time makes you look super silly, its a very easy question).

How did you come across the article.

Another interesting one - Muslim dynamics in Europe by The Middle East Quarterly.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Another interesting one - Muslim dynamics in Europe by The Middle East Quarterly.

Anything can be true with confirmation bias like yours.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats not relevant to the one and only question i have asked you in this thread. (I have asked you about five times and you diverting it each time makes you look super silly, its a very easy question).

How did you come across the article.

I just told you - I typed in Islamic immigration in the West. What is so controversial about that?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I just told you - I typed in Islamic immigration in the West. What is so controversial about that?

Originally Posted by Withano

Anything can be true with confirmation bias like yours.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

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Thanks for clearing that up.

No DM articles there. Just factual-based articles from credible sources - but if you don't want to be educated with such facts , more fool you.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No DM articles there. Just factual-based articles from credible sources - but if you don't want to be educated with such facts , more fool you.

To be fair, I just read the original scientific publication and n=21 and alpha=<.7

Although your article was technically accurate in reporting the findings, they failed to mention what the finding actually show (an inconclusive dataset with inconsistent questions and too few participants). conclusions can not be drawn with this data set.

[Tom4784]

It's just hysteria really.

Most of the 'facts' presented in the article are unqualified and thus untrustworthy and the study it quotes figures is dubious at best.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/euro...ism-criticised

The title of the article is enough to call bull**** on it alone.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's just hysteria really.

Most of the 'facts' presented in the article are unqualified and thus untrustworthy and the study it quotes figures is dubious at best.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/euro...ism-criticised

The title of the article is enough to call bull**** on it alone.

It is a valid study. Criticism of such studies is not unusual due to interpretation, opinion and motivation. What it does demonstrate is there is no room for complacency on this issue as the effectiveness on Islamic integration is still an unnown quantity and requires further monitoring and study.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is a valid study. Criticism of such studies is not unusual due to interpretation, opinion and motivation. What it does demonstrate is there is no room for complacency on this issue as the effectiveness on Islamic integration is still an unnown quantity and requires further monitoring and study.

The study was not even deemed internally reliable by the person who created it, let alone his critics
You cant have a differering interpretation, opinion or motivation on a cronbach alpha score. It just is what it is. Undeniably internally unreliable. The original author does not suggest otherwise, he'd be ridiculed even more so if he did.
The article you found on the study, whether you like this or not, was biased. There are tens of things wrong with the best of published studies, and your author declared zero for this obscure one. This study has a hell of a lot more than ten things wrong with it lol. The questions, for one, must be deemed unreliable for every single person who wishes to interpret them based on the alpha score, including the guy who wrote the original publication. All interpretations afterwards are based on unreliable questions and should not be taken entirely seriously... even if you read some article about it made by some bloke with a biased agenda, and a clickbait title

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is a valid study. Criticism of such studies is not unusual due to interpretation, opinion and motivation. What it does demonstrate is there is no room for complacency on this issue as the effectiveness on Islamic integration is still an unnown quantity and requires further monitoring and study.

Except it isn't a valid study.

The results are skewed and you can't deny that although you will because of confirmation bias.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except it isn't a valid study.

The results are skewed and you can't deny that although you will because of confirmation bias.

Let's be clear that confirmation bias works equally both ways, so you will have a bias for info that supports your views and so will I. No doubt the article that criticised the study I presented will likely have also received criticism of its comments/criticism from elsewhere.

My point being there is always someone who will have a different view who will point out any perceived inconsistencies/bias/procedural inaccuracies etc. A study can be challenged years down the line when new info or ideas come to light - little is written in stone on things like this. It isn't like diagnosing a medical condition or stating that the world is round.

There are other studies that have expressed similar concerns - it isn't just one study. To attempt to dismiss all concerns as either racism or stupidity is just words with an agenda and worse than the worst study and achieves nothing but adding fuel to the fire.

This is a Hugh unknown area and complacency is foolhardy. At the end of the day there is no proven right or wrong - only viewpoint.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Let's be clear that confirmation bias works equally both ways, so you will have a bias for info that supports your views and so will I. No doubt the comments that criticised the study I presented will likely have also received criticism of its comments/criticism from elsewhere.

My point being there is always someone who will have a different view who will point out any perceived inconsistencies/bias/procedural inaccuracies etc. A study can be challenged years down the line when new info or ideas come to light - little is written in stone on things like this. It isn't like diagnosing a medical condition or stating that the world is round.

There are other studies that have expressed similar concerns - it isn't just one study. To attempt to dismiss all concerns as either racism or stupidity is just words with an agenda and worse than the worst study and achieves nothing but adding fuel to the fire.

This is a Hugh unknown area and complacency is foolhardy. At the end of the day there is no proven right or wrong - only viewpoint.

The results themselves are skewed, the people interviewed were only migrants from Morroco and Turkey, you cannot ignore the broad range of muslim people in Europe and make claims based on only a sample selection that isn't representative of Muslims as a whole. It'd be like interviewing a bunch of British racists and releasing a study saying that the UK as a whole is racist based on that sample. It's utter foolishness and that's why this study has been dragged through the mud.

If you think poking valid holes in a flawed study is confirmation bias then you don't understand what confirmation bias is, you can't just explain away what is an incredibly flawed study by saying that the flaws are basically a matter of opinion when they aren't. You can't also say 'there are other studies that expressed similar concerns' without actually linking them, the only study that's been presented in this topic is the one in the article and it's already been proven as flawed and unreliable.

The article is biased, inflammatory and the only figures it backs up are from a study that's easily discredited. It's a worthless clickbait article with no real merit.