[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I find some of the theories hard to believe, such as the friends helping them cover up her death why?), or pretending their friends daughter was maddie (again, why? Surely someone would have still noticed there was another little blonde girl missing)

But reading through these threads has definitely made me a lot more suspicious to what actually happened

I can believe some of the friends helped coverup...reasons...they were ALL sedating the kids.

However I don't believe the friends knew what happened tbh. Maybe with the exception of David Payne (something dodgy here..he was the last person besides the parents to claim to see Madeleine. he claims he was there for 15 mins, kate claims he was only there 15 seconds and didnt see the kids :S)

I think the friends lied about the checking. I think they all sedated the kids and then just left them. Then when Madeleine was 'discovered missing' they all panicked and agreed to pretend they had been checking on the kids as otherwise they could get in serious trouble for being such selfish neglectful arseholes.

I believe Russel might know a little more about the story, given the McCanns tried to get him to be the last person to 'see' Madeleine, but he appeared to click onto this so said that he never actually 'saw' her he just listened at the door.

So many questions...

But yeah, I don't believe ALL of the friends covered up, but I do think there is a possibility some helped. And I think the checking timeline was completely fabricated (which would also explain the ridiculous decision to sit writing out a checking timeline instead of actually going out to look for the child...covering arses)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by longstar

from 2007 to 2009, the mccann's where harassing and intimating the staff at ocean club, and the staff at ocean club hold the key to what the mccann's where doing in the days before and after the abduction, and we know why they would not tell the real truth when the mccann's have friends in very high positions of power, and the the mccann's did not want anyone to find out that they heavily satated maddie, and there could be a very deep level that maddie was abused in some way in her short life, because an autopsy would spot that on first sight, but I can't say anymore on that because the mccann's could have are forum shut down, because of what we all have said, they have shut down other forums for saying things that they don't want found out, but there is something else to add, some people in middle and upper class backgrounds would have there children being molested and buggered by other higher class people, and its still happening to this day, its really a perverted ritual to them, if maddie died in an accident, just the same way as a kid runs across the road or trips into the garden pond, because you took your eye off the clock, or you are in another room or you are somewhere more far away, why would the mccanns depose their own kids body, and have her never be found, there is something that the mcann's don't want anyone to find out in what happened to her in life before she died, and its very very disturbing.

The tide has turned on that now. Even the papers are having headlines about Maddie being dead. Their loss to Amaral appears to have changed things and they do not have such a grip on the media and such anymore.

What I do not understand is why Scotland Yard are being so ****ing dense, or believe the public are so dense. HOW can you reopen an investigation and immediately rule out the main suspects...not even investigate them. From the off it was declared the parents were not suspects. Also I find it rather strange that the team actually investigating is the homicide team though. I have slight hope that Madeleine will get justice. Only slight though.

I fully expect the investigation to come to a close (after the lovely weather season in Portugal mind...must take advantage of taxpayer funding) and we will be told that someone who is already dead took Madeleine...no proof, just expected to believe like the sheep they think we are. Won't wash now though IMO as too many people have actually looked at the files and discovered the lies and discrepancies..before it was only a few and everyone else believed the 'official' line.

But more and more people by the day are realising how ridiculous the abduction theory really is. It is those who do believe abduction who are the conspiracy theorists...as all actual evidence points elsewhere.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's all very disturbing and thought provoking but where a lot of the theories fall down for me is in the idea that their friends would help them cover it up. Why would they do that? It doesn't really make sense to me and the more people involved in the idea of a cover up makes the whole thing less viable to do, keep quiet etc. A crowd secret isn't a secret for very long.

I've been quite shocked to learn that it's a thing for many parents to drug their own kids quite casually and regularly. I never would have dreamed of doing that to mine. A friend with young children says mum's talk about drugging the kids with calpol quite openly at the school gate. The idea is irresponsible and outrageous to me.

You cannot drug a child with calpol. Calpol does not make kids sleep. I believe it used to but the ingredients changed. Now it will only help your child sleep if the reason they are not sleeping is because they are in pain. Its just paracetamol. It will no more sedate a child than paracetamol would sedate an adult.

Also a 'crowd secret' can remain a secret if everyone in the crowd has something to lose.

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I can believe some of the friends helped coverup...reasons...they were ALL sedating the kids.

However I don't believe the friends knew what happened tbh. Maybe with the exception of David Payne (something dodgy here..he was the last person besides the parents to claim to see Madeleine. he claims he was there for 15 mins, kate claims he was only there 15 seconds and didnt see the kids :S)

I think the friends lied about the checking. I think they all sedated the kids and then just left them. Then when Madeleine was 'discovered missing' they all panicked and agreed to pretend they had been checking on the kids as otherwise they could get in serious trouble for being such selfish neglectful arseholes.

I believe Russel might know a little more about the story, given the McCanns tried to get him to be the last person to 'see' Madeleine, but he appeared to click onto this so said that he never actually 'saw' her he just listened at the door.

So many questions...

But yeah, I don't believe ALL of the friends covered up, but I do think there is a possibility some helped. And I think the checking timeline was completely fabricated (which would also explain the ridiculous decision to sit writing out a checking timeline instead of actually going out to look for the child...covering arses)

I think Tanner and Payne ( the baby bather) are in it past their necks

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I think Tanner and Payne ( the baby bather) are in it past their necks

Ah yes I forgot about Tanner. Yes she has a major part for some reason. Though I genuinely do think her sighting was all about pinning the blame on Murat. Given her sighting went from seeing next to nothing to recognizing Murat...who I think she knew prior to the incident. Gerry certainly did..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah yes I forgot about Tanner. Yes she has a major part for some reason. Though I genuinely do think her sighting was all about pinning the blame on Murat. Given her sighting went from seeing next to nothing to recognizing Murat...who I think she knew prior to the incident. Gerry certainly did..

From the time we went to Pdl and walked down the street Gerry claimed her never saw Tanner on ( wearing flip flops) I knew she was lying, the road is far too narrow ,no way could anyone walk down it unseen

I believe she was his lookout while he moved Maddie,she didn't see man with baby, Gerry placed Maddie in the flowerbed and went over chatting to the man to stop him being suspicious and that why cadaver was found in the garden

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

From the time we went to Pdl and walked down the street Gerry claimed her never saw Tanner on ( wearing flip flops) I knew she was lying, the road is far too narrow ,no way could anyone walk down it unseen

I believe she was his lookout while he moved Maddie,she didn't see man with baby, Gerry placed Maddie in the flowerbed and went over chatting to the man to stop him being suspicious and that why cadaver was found in the garden

I watched a clip a while back where Jane and Gerry were doing something to recontruct that scene and neither could agree on where they were and they just couldn't make it work.

I seem to remember in that clip too (this set alarm bells ringing for me) Jane saying to Gerry something about Kate was wondering why he was taking so long doing his check and that she assumed he must be watching the football in the apartment. Gerry shushed jane quite aggressively when she said this...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I watched a clip a while back where Jane and Gerry were doing something to recontruct that scene and neither could agree on where they were and they just couldn't make it work.

I seem to remember in that clip too (this set alarm bells ringing for me) Jane saying to Gerry something about Kate was wondering why he was taking so long doing his check and that she assumed he must be watching the football in the apartment. Gerry shushed jane quite aggressively when she said this...

That's clearly why they refused to do a proper reconstruction for the Police in Portugal.....because that's a totally normal thing to do when your child is missing, refuse to help the Police mmmhmm

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I watched a clip a while back where Jane and Gerry were doing something to recontruct that scene and neither could agree on where they were and they just couldn't make it work.

I seem to remember in that clip too (this set alarm bells ringing for me) Jane saying to Gerry something about Kate was wondering why he was taking so long doing his check and that she assumed he must be watching the football in the apartment. Gerry shushed jane quite aggressively when she said this...

Head of Scotland Yard dismissed Tanners sighting live on Crimewatch with Mcs sat there !!

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I can believe some of the friends helped coverup...reasons...they were ALL sedating the kids.

However I don't believe the friends knew what happened tbh. Maybe with the exception of David Payne (something dodgy here..he was the last person besides the parents to claim to see Madeleine. he claims he was there for 15 mins, kate claims he was only there 15 seconds and didnt see the kids :S)

I think the friends lied about the checking. I think they all sedated the kids and then just left them. Then when Madeleine was 'discovered missing' they all panicked and agreed to pretend they had been checking on the kids as otherwise they could get in serious trouble for being such selfish neglectful arseholes.

I believe Russel might know a little more about the story, given the McCanns tried to get him to be the last person to 'see' Madeleine, but he appeared to click onto this so said that he never actually 'saw' her he just listened at the door.

So many questions...

But yeah, I don't believe ALL of the friends covered up, but I do think there is a possibility some helped. And I think the checking timeline was completely fabricated (which would also explain the ridiculous decision to sit writing out a checking timeline instead of actually going out to look for the child...covering arses)

But I don't really see what difference that makes? Whether the kids were drugged or not somebody still "took" Madeline to the best of their knowledge

How would lying benefit them in anyway?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But I don't really see what difference that makes? Whether the kids were drugged or not somebody still "took" Madeline to the best of their knowledge

How would lying benefit them in anyway?

I think she died accidently and the friends knew that, if all the kids had been sedated when they were going out that would have been strong motivation for them all to lie because they could all lose their careers (they were all doctors) and possibly their own kids if Police found out theyd all drugged their kids

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You certainly sparked my interest in this case Niamh. I've done a lot of reading since your last thread and have had a change of heart to the disappearance of Madeleine. Its all very suspicious.

I had a thought after reading your spoiler; could Madeleine of been already dead in her bed when Gerry stood looking over her and thinking how beautiful she was on his final visit to the house. Did Gerry let a man in who the Mccann's had paid off to get rid of her body. Was he talking to that other man to distract him from a man leaving the house with the body of a child? I wonder if that man was standing with his back to the house.

Another thing I was reading recently was the coffin that was laying in wake in a nearby church. The lid of that coffin remained closed by the relatives and it was a cremation. Could Madeleine's body of been cremated along with their relative?

Good article here with a video of the dogs in the apartment and also good observations about how the McCanns reacted to that

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/0...dnt-make-sense

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Good article here with a video of the dogs in the apartment and also good observations about how the McCanns reacted to that

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/0...dnt-make-sense

My God that video is pretty damning,first time I'de seen that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My God that video is pretty damning,first time I'de seen that.

Yeah it really is

[Niamh.]

Also Kaz, in support of the idea that Maddie and the Twins could have been sedated :

(Taken from Pat Brownes Book)
Were the twins sedated on the night of 3rd May 2007 ?

The question of sedation of the three McCann children is one which has caused problems
since the very beginning.
Reported facts.
Around 10 pm 3rd May 2007 Kate McCann entered the apartment in the holiday resort and
reported Madeleine missing. The younger twins were still in their travel cots in the same
room, and were asleep.
What followed is a matter of public record. The apartment was searched, several times, by
many people, the surrounding area was searched by large numbers of police and ex-pats
and villagers, and huge amount of activity was directed to discovering Madeleine’s
whereabouts. All were in vain.

BUT . . . during all of this commotion -
despite a window and shutters having been open for an hour on a cold night,
despite the door slamming shut,
despite curtains blowing into the room,
despite their mother frantically opening and closing wardrobes and cupboards
despite their mother rushing out screaming for help,
despite the entire Tapas 7 group searching throughout the apartment,
despite Kate and the Tapas group shouting Madeleine’s name outside,
despite Gerry McCann’s closing and opening the shutters multiple times
despite Mrs Webster’s similarly attempting to open the shutters but failing,
despite the Police investigating the scene,
despite Gerry’s “roaring like a lion” and then prostrating himself on the floor,
despite both parents repeating this action and wailing
despite Kate’s checking the twins for vital signs,
despite the twins being lifted from their cots by people not their parents, and
despite their being carried out into the cold night air, and to another apartment. [1.1]


Despite all of this . . . the twins did not wake

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also Kaz, in support of the idea that Maddie and the Twins could have been sedated :

(Taken from Pat Brownes Book)
Were the twins sedated on the night of 3rd May 2007 ?

The question of sedation of the three McCann children is one which has caused problems
since the very beginning.
Reported facts.
Around 10 pm 3rd May 2007 Kate McCann entered the apartment in the holiday resort and
reported Madeleine missing. The younger twins were still in their travel cots in the same
room, and were asleep.
What followed is a matter of public record. The apartment was searched, several times, by
many people, the surrounding area was searched by large numbers of police and ex-pats
and villagers, and huge amount of activity was directed to discovering Madeleine’s
whereabouts. All were in vain.

BUT . . . during all of this commotion -
despite a window and shutters having been open for an hour on a cold night,
despite the door slamming shut,
despite curtains blowing into the room,
despite their mother frantically opening and closing wardrobes and cupboards
despite their mother rushing out screaming for help,
despite the entire Tapas 7 group searching throughout the apartment,
despite Kate and the Tapas group shouting Madeleine’s name outside,
despite Gerry McCann’s closing and opening the shutters multiple times
despite Mrs Webster’s similarly attempting to open the shutters but failing,
despite the Police investigating the scene,
despite Gerry’s “roaring like a lion” and then prostrating himself on the floor,
despite both parents repeating this action and wailing
despite Kate’s checking the twins for vital signs,
despite the twins being lifted from their cots by people not their parents, and
despite their being carried out into the cold night air, and to another apartment. [1.1]


Despite all of this . . . the twins did not wake

That really is food for thought Niamh,I know I have had to tiptoe round mine when they were small as they would wake, this case gets more and more mysterious.

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[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I can believe some of the friends helped coverup...reasons...they were ALL sedating the kids.

However I don't believe the friends knew what happened tbh. Maybe with the exception of David Payne (something dodgy here..he was the last person besides the parents to claim to see Madeleine. he claims he was there for 15 mins, kate claims he was only there 15 seconds and didnt see the kids :S)

I think the friends lied about the checking. I think they all sedated the kids and then just left them. Then when Madeleine was 'discovered missing' they all panicked and agreed to pretend they had been checking on the kids as otherwise they could get in serious trouble for being such selfish neglectful arseholes.

I believe Russel might know a little more about the story, given the McCanns tried to get him to be the last person to 'see' Madeleine, but he appeared to click onto this so said that he never actually 'saw' her he just listened at the door.

So many questions...

But yeah, I don't believe ALL of the friends covered up, but I do think there is a possibility some helped. And I think the checking timeline was completely fabricated (which would also explain the ridiculous decision to sit writing out a checking timeline instead of actually going out to look for the child...covering arses)

The night before Maddie was reported missing, the tenant upstairs heard the pitiful crying of a child coming from the apartment beneath her. She said that this went on for something like 2 hours. I think that's when Maddie died from an accident. If she got up and climbed on the back of the sofa to reach the window, in her drugged state she could of fallen forward and banged her head.

[Jack.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

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An amazing blog , McCann are finished, its nearly all over .......Maddies justice is on its way

Really interesting read!

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/0...-disappearance

Not a single UK paper has written about yesterday court hearing ,as it was another resounding loss for Mcs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/0...-disappearance

Not a single UK paper has written about yesterday court hearing ,as it was another resounding loss for Mcs

The way they protect them is just bizarre tbh

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/314959...ke-her-kidnap/

Finally !!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/314959...ke-her-kidnap/

Finally !!

This what I mean, Newspapers like the Sun being sympathetic towards them? It's very out of character for them, even if they were completely innocent usually the juicer angle would be totally jumped on but never with these two for some reason...........