[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think the difference practically a quarter of any city in Spain isn't English or any other culture, they remain predominantly Spanish? If Cork City were to become 25% Muslim and instead of the Shandon Bells all you could hear were calls to prayer, I'm pretty sure the Irish would have something to say about it.

We just need to get rid of religion full stop I think, solve all these issues

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just put that there because these "Ex Pats" (not immigrants of course) are doing exactly what some people in this thread are getting upset about when foreigners come into Britain ie. not integrate, form "ghettos", expect the natives to adapt to them, refuse to learn the language etc etc ..............no doubt I'll get the" but we Brits are making Spain better/giving them money etc etc excuse *yawn*

I think the difference between people moving to Spain from Britain and people coming here from anywhere is that fact unless you have paid into the spanish system you cannot claim benefits, which I reckon should be the case here. A lot of the expats are using their pensions to live there

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I think the difference between people moving to Spain from Britain and people coming here from anywhere is that fact unless you have paid into the spanish system you cannot claim benefits, which I reckon should be the case here. A lot of the expats are using their pensions to live there

That's not the point I was making though. The point I was making was that alot of British in Spain do all the stuff that they accuse immigrants in Britain of doing but they always have excuses of why it's ok for them to do it (ie not learn the language, not integrate, form ghettos, not only don't learn Spanish but actually expect the Spanish to speak English etc etc )

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We just need to get rid of religion full stop I think, solve all these issues

Its everyones right to have their beliefs just don't understand why it is taken to the extreme. Praying 5 times a day every day? Religious instruction after school is out even when religious education is performed during school days. I believe in God but it doesn't worry me that others don't and I wouldn't dream of trying to push my beliefs onto others or fighting with people because of what I believe. So yes, in a way I get what you are saying here Niamh, I can understand why people say religion is the root of all evil. I'm not judging, I'm just not understanding and I don't think I ever will.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

Its everyones right to have their beliefs just don't understand why it is taken to the extreme. Praying 5 times a day every day? Religious instruction after school is out even when religious education is performed during school days. I believe in God but it doesn't worry me that others don't and I wouldn't dream of trying to push my beliefs onto others or fighting with people because of what I believe. So yes, in a way I get what you are saying here Niamh, I can understand why people say religion is the root of all evil. I'm not judging, I'm just not understanding and I don't think I ever will.

I mean to say religion should have nothing to do with schools or state and shouldn't effect your job in anyway. If you want to practice religion do it in your own time basically.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not the point I was making though. The point I was making was that alot of British in Spain do all the stuff that they accuse immigrants in Britain of doing but they always have excuses of why it's ok for them to do it (ie not learn the language, not integrate, form ghettos, not only don't learn Spanish but actually expect the Spanish to speak English etc etc )

I lived in Spain for two years and I learned the language, I wasn't very good but I got by and the Spanish people always smiled and were friendly towards me when they saw I was at least trying. Yeah, I have a friend who went on holiday to spain and came back playing pop about the spanish not speaking English, what the hell? Most ex pats live in English communities which I think is wrong they should integrate, I lived in a very Spanish town inland, the doctor didn't speak English and when I look back I don't know how the heck I managed, but I did. The Spanish respect you more if you at least try to speak their language. They don't seem to take much issue with the Brits to be fair, in my experience anyway whilst I was there.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I lived in Spain for two years and I learned the language, I wasn't very good but I got by and the Spanish people always smiled and were friendly towards me when they saw I was at least trying. Yeah, I have a friend who went on holiday to spain and came back playing pop about the spanish not speaking English, what the hell? Most ex pats live in English communities which I think is wrong they should integrate, I lived in a very Spanish town inland, the doctor didn't speak English and when I look back I don't know how the heck I managed, but I did. The Spanish respect you more if you at least try to speak their language. They don't seem to take much issue with the Brits to be fair, in my experience anyway whilst I was there.

Yeah, i don't understand why you would want to move to Spain and not immerse yourself in their culture, why move otherwise? It's not much of an experience otherwise

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Tozzie many people feel that way which is why immigration is such a discussion point right now. Parts of Britain don't look like Britain anymore but some would try to convince us that is a good thing and we should all be excited about multiculturism because they say so. It isn't working - hence Brexit.

We are all entitled to our opinions and you are far from being alone in yours.

People who voted Brexit wanted less EU immigration, and therefore, more Asian migrants to take their place (unless they misunderstood Brexit and thought it meant less immigration altogether). Bringing up Brexit doesnt really make sense in a context regarding Muslim culture in Yorkshire, it will likely grow after Brexit, and the Brexiteers likely knew this.
The question is, does this really matter? does anyone have any evidence that multiculturalism is worse than countries with 99%+ of one culture. Look back on the world 200 years compared to now, wouldnt it just be correct to presume that multiculturalism is the way every country is moving (particularly the more economically advanced countries).
Countries where alcohol is banned, like Tunisia have bars and nightclubs, countries like Spain have neighbourhoods practically dedicated to non-locals, I've even watched an entire series of Big Brother in Uganda during a time where LGBT promotion was technically illegal (it isnt anymore, probably due to the changing attitudes of cultures around them). It just wouldnt make sense for these countries to move backwards, why would it make sense for Britain to do so? New Zealand has a pretty successful pay wage for genders system, Bangladesh and Singapore has an excellent ecological footprint, shouldn't we start incorporating their ideas? You don't lose a culture by incorporating others, fear of doing so is simply unfounded and irrational.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Have you been?

There's a reason it's known locally as Bradistan.

It was known as that when my mum was a kid.

Best back street curry houses this side of Pakistan in Bradford

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It was known as that when my mum was a kid.

Best back street curry houses this side of Pakistan in Bradford

Oh yeah,
No doubt you can get a decent curry there

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

People who voted Brexit wanted less EU immigration, and therefore, more Asian migrants to take their place (unless they misunderstood Brexit and thought it meant less immigration altogether).

I honestly believe that those who voted for Brexit because of the foreigners, believed it would control immigration from around the globe and not just European foreigners. You hear too many Brexiteers complaining about open borders. We only have open borders within Europe for Europeans; to everyone else, those borders have tight and often impossible restrictions. An Iraqi traveller coming from France to the UK is as heavily scrutinized by immigration as he would be if he'd flown in from Iraq.

The tabloids give us all the impression that its easy; that they can come over here and sponge off our healthcare, social security and council housing; when in fact, if you are are anything other than European, its actually very difficult to get into Britain for anything other than a holiday. If you intend to work, study or simply reside here then its going to be quite problematic and very expensive.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Oh yeah,
No doubt you can get a decent curry there

Wonder if you can get fish and chips in Pakistan?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wonder if you can get fish and chips in Pakistan?

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowUserR...Territory.html

[Alf]

Over 200 replies in this thread. Just shows how more popular the likes of Hopkins and Farage are.

Owen Jones or Billy Bragg, could only dream of having that response, but what the say, doesn't make any sense, so no one is interested.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I lived in Spain for two years and I learned the language, I wasn't very good but I got by and the Spanish people always smiled and were friendly towards me when they saw I was at least trying. Yeah, I have a friend who went on holiday to spain and came back playing pop about the spanish not speaking English, what the hell? Most ex pats live in English communities which I think is wrong they should integrate, I lived in a very Spanish town inland, the doctor didn't speak English and when I look back I don't know how the heck I managed, but I did. The Spanish respect you more if you at least try to speak their language. They don't seem to take much issue with the Brits to be fair, in my experience anyway whilst I was there.

I think a lot of people move to Spain and similar countries because of the weather and lifestyle and I agree if you move to a none English speaking country at least have the decency to attempt to learn their language.the amount of times I have had someone on the phone that I just cannot understand,I even have difficulty with some doctors etc.which can be embarrassing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Over 200 replies in this thread. Just shows how more popular the likes of Hopkins and Farage are.

Owen Jones or Billy Bragg, could only dream of having that response, but what the say, doesn't make any sense, so no one is interested.

Most of the replies are just about plain old immigration though tbf not them two idiots

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Most of the replies are just about plain old immigration though tbf not them two idiots

But it started about them, and because they are interesting and have a point of view, it carried on, because people enjoyed the debate.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowUserR...Territory.html

LOL, it's nice to know our national dish is on the menu

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

But it started about them, and because they are interesting and have a point of view, it carried on, because people enjoyed the debate.

If they get people talking,job done I say.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowUserR...Territory.html

ah, not like the fish and chips you can get in Britain tho yanno, no one makes fish 'ole like they do here in Yorkshire

[Alf]

Popular is the word I was looking for.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Over 200 replies in this thread. Just shows how more popular the likes of Hopkins and Farage are.

Owen Jones or Billy Bragg, could only dream of having that response, but what the say, doesn't make any sense, so no one is interested.

There are 37 references to Hopkins in this thread and 15 to Farage, that includes times when a post mentioning them was quoted by others, and times where both names were mentioned in the same post were counted twice

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

But it started about them, and because they are interesting and have a point of view, it carried on, because people enjoyed the debate.

Immigration and most especially Muslims is a hot topic right now any thread on immigration is guaranteed many replies. I disagree that they are interesting, I would say rude and arrogant is more like it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

ah, not like the fish and chips you can get in Britain tho yanno, no one makes fish 'ole like they do here in Yorkshire

I don't doubt that Tozzie

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

ah, not like the fish and chips you can get in Britain tho yanno, no one makes fish 'ole like they do here in Yorkshire

I would agree with that. I was in Leeds last week and my first stop was a fish and chip shop. Yorkshire do amazing fishcakes with a slice of potato, fish and batter. I've never managed to find such a fine delicacy here in the south.

My next stop was a Yorkshire bakers for another thing you can't find in the south... curd tart

Edited to add, maybe we should start a foodie thread!