[Cherie]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Yes, arista, this "poxy" thing is doing yourself no favour.
Teach yourself how to express with respect.

The so-called "poxy" vegans (and other groups, but don't let it ruin your vegan-bashing party) asked to reconsider the tallow. That's what people asked. Do you see any specific "palm oil" in this request? no. Neither do I.
Read the article properly and learn that the palm oil was the bank's solution.
So who's to blame?

Populism.

are you happy with this compromise Winter?

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Cherie

are you happy with this compromise Winter?

Not so much, but to a certain extent I prefer this solution over having a dead animal's fat in my wallet (direct and indirect consequences). They got it wrong first time, they got it somewhat wrong the second time. I thought they would do their homework and come with a better solution...
Veganism is not a cult of loonies, like the childishly understatement of arista's thread. I'm vegan, I care about animals, I care about the environment, and I'm doing the best as I can - that's all. The same goes with other vegans - they care about the things they care. Like any other citizen has their own issues they care about. Is it wrong to ask the government to reconsider the tallow? No. Like any other demand from the public, it should be considered, and this is where the petition came into action (which is legal enough). Why does it bothers arista so much? blind populist generalizing hate is easy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Not so much, but to a certain extent I prefer this solution over having a dead animal's fat in my wallet (direct and indirect consequences). They got it wrong first time, they got it wrong the second time. I thought they would do their homework and come with a better solution...
Veganism is not a cult of loonies, like the childishly understatement of arista's thread. I'm vegan, I care about animals, I care about the environment, and I'm doing the best as I can - that's all. The same goes with other vegans - they care about the things they care. Like any other citizen has their own issues they care about. Is it wrong to ask the government to reconsider the tallow? No. Like any other demand from the public, it should be considered, and this is where the petition came into action (which is legal enough). Why does it bothers arista so much? blind populist generalizing hate is easy.

I understand your concern and respect your efforts, doesn't take much to be be mocked does it? ' What?! you don't eat meat or consciously use/agree with the utilisation of animal byproducts?!!... You mad?!!!'

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Not so much, but to a certain extent I prefer this solution over having a dead animal's fat in my wallet (direct and indirect consequences). They got it wrong first time, they got it somewhat wrong the second time. I thought they would do their homework and come with a better solution...
Veganism is not a cult of loonies, like the childishly understatement of arista's thread. I'm vegan, I care about animals, I care about the environment, and I'm doing the best as I can - that's all. The same goes with other vegans - they care about the things they care. Like any other citizen has their own issues they care about. Is it wrong to ask the government to reconsider the tallow? No. Like any other demand from the public, it should be considered, and this is where the petition came into action (which is legal enough). Why does it bothers arista so much? blind populist generalizing hate is easy.

Very good point, they had every right to express their views... freedom of speech and all that. It's not an issue that effects me personally but it's nice to know they were at least listened to, even if it's not the ideal solution. Insulting them over it is at best childish.