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Northern Monkey · 20-04-2017, 06:23 PM

A great take on Political Correctness

Withano · 20-04-2017, 06:56 PM

I enjoyed the first 5 minutes, she brought a lot of insane points to my attention in that well-written speech.
Then she started going on about freedom of speech, and how they (the rights) should be allowed to say stuff but cant because of the words that the left use, and then started going on about how they (the left) shouldnt say this stuff, what about the lefts freedom of speech? Why does she only want freedom of speech for the right? Like, I cant take your argument seriously anymore, you dont even understand your argument... sounds like she just wants to attack whenever she likes without being attacked by others, thats not anything to do with freedom of speech / political correctness, thats just you being a bit of a twat that cant take what you give.

Brillopad · 20-04-2017, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

A great take on Political Correctness

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I've seen a few videos and read a few articles about this and agree with everything she said. PC is oppressive with the intention of intimidating and forcing people to think and act according to the belief systems of the PC brigade. It is all very manipulative and controlling. It is institutional bullying.

We have seen it on here on several occasions with the oh so predictable racist, bigot, zenophobia, islamophobia etc comments directed to anyone who expresses concerns about open borders etc. If they can't change your mind or get you to back down out come the insults. As long as people are aware of that but don't let it intimidate them then it won't have the desired effect.

I do believe many more people are wising up to these tactics and fighting back. I think PC is on an inevitable downward spiral as more and more people start to challenge this kind of unacceptable behaviour.

Kizzy · 20-04-2017, 07:16 PM

Is it unacceptable behaviour to out prejudice where you see it?

Nobody is saying you can't be as prejudiced as you want... go for it but for gods sake own it. If you are proud of your views and opinions what would it matter who opposes them?

Labeling people PC is a way of denigrating any and all counter argument as they are too shamefaced to stand behind what they advocate imo.

Marsh. · 20-04-2017, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

I enjoyed the first 5 minutes, she brought a lot of insane points to my attention in that well-written speech.
Then she started going on about freedom of speech, and how they (the rights) should be allowed to say stuff but cant because of the words that the left use, and then started going on about how they (the left) shouldnt say this stuff, what about the lefts freedom of speech? Why does she only want freedom of speech for the right? Like, I cant take your argument seriously anymore, you dont even understand your argument... sounds like she just wants to attack whenever she likes without being attacked by others, that not anything to do with freedom of speech / political correctness, thats just you being a bit of a twat that cant take what you give.

NAIL. ON. HEAD.

Withano · 20-04-2017, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

We have seen it on here on several occasions with the oh so predictable racist, bigot, zenophobia, islamophobia etc comments directed to anyone who expresses concerns about open borders etc. .

But you not liking it when people throw out those sort of insults makes you very PC, and very against freedom of speech. You are literally fighting against yourself.

Brillopad · 20-04-2017, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is it unacceptable behaviour to out prejudice where you see it?

Nobody is saying you can't be as prejudiced as you want... go for it but for gods sake own it. If you are proud of your views and opinions what would it matter who opposes them?

Labeling people PC is a way of denigrating any and all counter argument as they are too shamefaced to stand behind what they advocate imo.

That's exactly what Supporters of multiculturalism and open borders have attempted to do to anyone with different views - they label them racist etc. They dished it out, but can't take it back.

Your words 'to out prejudice where you see it' says it all for me, you can't see it as your opinion, you assume your opinion to be fact. Those that support multiculturalism cannot/will not see that questioning such issues does not in itself make people prejudice - that is simply their interpretation - not fact. It does not entitle people to label others because they disagree with their views. If they insist on doing that then they can't complain when the tide turns.

Tom4784 · 20-04-2017, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

I enjoyed the first 5 minutes, she brought a lot of insane points to my attention in that well-written speech.
Then she started going on about freedom of speech, and how they (the rights) should be allowed to say stuff but cant because of the words that the left use, and then started going on about how they (the left) shouldnt say this stuff, what about the lefts freedom of speech? Why does she only want freedom of speech for the right? Like, I cant take your argument seriously anymore, you dont even understand your argument... sounds like she just wants to attack whenever she likes without being attacked by others, thats not anything to do with freedom of speech / political correctness, thats just you being a bit of a twat that cant take what you give.

Pretty much this.

It's often a pattern with people that act like PC is the end of the world that they ultimately want to say whatever they like with no consequence (ALL opinions come with consequences) while only wanting Freedom of Speech for her and people who share her views. It's hypocritical beyond belief.

Jake. · 20-04-2017, 07:54 PM

Yeah essentially what others have said in here already but people who seem to love freedom of speech like to attack those with views that differ from theirs (see any Mail Online comments section)

Tom4784 · 20-04-2017, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's exactly what Supporters of multiculturalism and open borders have attempted to do to anyone with different views - they label them racist etc. They dished it out, but can't take it back.

Your words 'to out prejudice where you see it' says it all for me, you can't see it as your opinion, you assume your opinion to be fact. Those that support multiculturalism cannot/will not see that questioning such issues does not in itself make people prejudice - that is simply their interpretation - not fact. It does not entitle people to label others because they disagree with their views. If they insist on doing that then they can't complain when the tide turns.

So, a bit like how you've accused me of being sexist multiple times to try to silence my opinion in the past? I didn't act like a victim though, I took that accusation and ripped it to shreds.

An accusation is just an accusation, and meaningless unless true. If someone calls another person a racist when they aren't then it's an easy thing to refute. People only get antsy about it when they are racist but don't want to admit it.

Kizzy · 20-04-2017, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's exactly what Supporters of multiculturalism and open borders have attempted to do to anyone with different views - they label them racist etc. They dished it out, but can't take it back.

Your words 'to out prejudice where you see it' says it all for me, you can't see it as your opinion, you assume your opinion to be fact. Those that support multiculturalism cannot/will not see that questioning such issues does not in itself make people prejudice - that is simply their interpretation - not fact. It does not entitle people to label others because they disagree with their views. If they insist on doing that then they can't complain when the tide turns.

The tide hasn't turned, prejudice is still prejudice...

I don't assume anything, there's no point trying to wriggle out of your prejudice because you are ashamed.....Embrace your inner bigot.

Be loud and proud, if you feel a certain way and that defines you then accept it, don't bitch and whine and try redefine it :/

Brillopad · 20-04-2017, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

So, a bit like how you've accused me of being sexist multiple times to try to silence my opinion in the past? I didn't act like a victim though, I took that accusation and ripped it to shreds.

An accusation is just an accusation, and meaningless unless true. If someone calls another person a racist when they aren't then it's an easy thing to refute. People only get antsy about it when they are racist but don't want to admit it.

It never ceases to amaze me how you always seem to see your response as 'ripping it to shreds'. If you say so.

Tozzie · 20-04-2017, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

I've seen a few videos and read a few articles about this and agree with everything she said. PC is oppressive with the intention of intimidating and forcing people to think and act according to the belief systems of the PC brigade. It is all very manipulative and controlling. It is institutional bullying.

We have seen it on here on several occasions with the oh so predictable racist, bigot, zenophobia, islamophobia etc comments directed to anyone who expresses concerns about open borders etc. If they can't change your mind or get you to back down out come the insults. As long as people are aware of that but don't let it intimidate them then it won't have the desired effect.

I do believe many more people are wising up to these tactics and fighting back. I think PC is on an inevitable downward spiral as more and more people start to challenge this kind of unacceptable behaviour.

Couldnt have said it any better

Brillopad · 20-04-2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

The tide hasn't turned, prejudice is still prejudice...

I don't assume anything, there's no point trying to wriggle out of your prejudice because you are ashamed.....Embrace your inner bigot.

Be loud and proud, if you feel a certain way and that defines you then accept it, don't bitch and whine and try redefine it :/

I don't support open borders. I don't support controlling religions - the more dictorial and opressive they are the more I dislike them. Make of that what you will - but I understand that that is just your opinion, even if you don't.

DemolitionRed · 20-04-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't support open borders. I don't support controlling religions - the more dictorial and opressive they are the more I dislike them. Make of that what you will - but I understand that that is just your opinion, even if you don't.

Yes we know, you remind us again and again. Its only because we consider your argument weak that we come back at you.

Tozzie · 20-04-2017, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

The tide hasn't turned, prejudice is still prejudice...

I don't assume anything, there's no point trying to wriggle out of your prejudice because you are ashamed.....Embrace your inner bigot.

Be loud and proud, if you feel a certain way and that defines you then accept it, don't bitch and whine and try redefine it :/

A bigot is a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. It seems you are intolerant towards someone who doesn't agree with your opinions, I guess we are all bigots in one way or another. Embrace your inner bigot

DemolitionRed · 20-04-2017, 08:38 PM

Good grief… It feel like my words are continually stifled on here because of political correctness. Sometimes, even when I’ve tried to limit my words so as not to offend, I still find certain people are outraged by what I’ve said. I’m less vocal and literal here than other discussion groups for fear of offending some sensitive soul.

This “Left wing PC nonsense” by the British press has unfairly migrated from the American ‘Right’ and similarly adopted from the press by Right wing forum users but unlike the American left, we, in the UK, don’t need ‘safe spaces’ or have ‘trigger warnings’ so the ridiculous accusation that its a Left wing thing is foundless.

DemolitionRed · 20-04-2017, 08:39 PM

FFS, we have people on here telling us its unpatriotic to be ashamed of the way Britain is being run. If that’s not PC what is? We have the Right telling us foreigners should adhere to British culture if they want to live here because its not PC to do otherwise and we have PC outrage and accusations of anti-Semitism when anyone dares to criticise Israel. All of these things need to be debated but when we have to police our words over everything just in case we offend, it limits debate.

For all your PC outrage remember this; you’re guilty of what you are accusing others of being guilty of. How do you not see that?

Tozzie · 20-04-2017, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes we know, you remind us again and again. Its only because we consider your argument weak that we come back at you.

What makes Brillos argument weak and yours strong though? Just interested

DemolitionRed · 20-04-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tozzie

What makes Brillos argument weak and yours strong though? Just interested

Did I say mine was strong?

DemolitionRed · 20-04-2017, 08:41 PM

Trump is hailed by some on here as the King of fighting against PC and then skips debates because someone hurt his feelings. The one with the cherry on top is Trump falling out and never forgiving the journalist who mentioned he had small hands!