[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is all very typical 'facebook' logic.

I imagine if you are being called those things then it's for more than simply supporting Brexit and your second sentence is simply silly and inflammatory rather than logical. Hate crimes and sex crimes are not comparable, life is not some sort of Police Procedural drama where the same officers will deal with all kinds of crimes. Different crimes are investigated and solved by different units. Idiotic hate crimes are usually easy to solve since the people who commit them are not very bright, it's often a case of consulting the CCTV to get an identification.

Things like rape gangs and sex rings are more organised and harder to break. They require more time and investigation to compare what is essentially an organised crime to yobs that aren't smart enough to cover their faces when they commit their crimes. They are not the same.

Honestly, this should be common sense.

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

It's a descriptor, like cyber crime or car crime... :/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

Ignorant? what am I ignoring?

I'm not the one ignoring grooming paedophile rape gangs, because I don't want to be called names.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Ignorant? what am I ignoring?

I'm not the one ignoring grooming paedophile rape gangs, because I don't want to be called names.

This....doesn't seem relevant to anything? I think you've put 2 and 2 together and came up with 98.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hate Crime has been a thing in the UK for 31 years, it's hardly a recent thing... And yes, it IS a thing. It's honestly quite worrying that you deny it's existence never mind the fact that you believe it to be a method of control... The fact that you believe that Hate Crimes don't exist and that, if they did the fact they would criminalise behaviours associated with it as 'anti-equality' is quite astounding.

Honestly, I can understand why people are throwing those accusations at you in your previous post when you make ignorant statements such as this.

Hate crimes come from all quarters, let's not pretend it is exclusive to those of one particular viewpoint. They usually have more to do with the individual than any political views.

It is what is labelled as a 'hate crime' that counts. The word 'hate' is thrown around very selectively by some which waters down its meaning. Those doing all the throwing are therefore responsible for that.

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

This genuinely sounds like you cant differentiate between an actual hate crime, and a lefty having a tiff with a righty on the internet. You might wanna clear that up real quick.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

This genuinely sounds like you cant differentiate between an actual hate crime, and a lefty having a tiff with a righty on the internet. You might wanna clear that up real quick.

Well you would say that!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Opposing immigration for instance is not in itself 'hate' - how they go about opposing it may be. How someone opposes anyone that expresses such an opinion could also be 'hate'. These things need to be proven - just saying it means nothing.

If you heard a person on the bus having a real unrevoked rant at a Muslim man, suggesting he was a potential terrorist; would you consider that a hate crime?

If the police stepped on the bus and the Muslim man reported this other persons outburst, would you stand in as a witness on the side of the Muslim man?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Bullsiht. When I saw that pregnant African woman who had a small child with her, being shouted at by a racist bigot, that was both hate and a crime (bias-motivated crime). Its not a crime to shout at someone but it is a crime to shout racial slurs at someone. The word "hate" or "bias motivated" is just a description on the sort of crime it comes under.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Bullsiht. When I saw that pregnant African woman who had a small child with her, being shouted at by a racist bigot, that was both hate and a crime (bias-motivated crime). Its not a crime to shout at someone but it is a crime to shout racial slurs at someone. The word "hate" or "bias motivated" is just a description on the sort of crime it comes under.

You seem to see more people being abused than the rest of TiBB put together, it was a woman selling the Big Issue last week

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You see to see more people being abused than the rest of TiBB put together

Excuse me? you wouldn't be accusing me of lying by any chance? Tell you what, why don't you go and look through my posts because I'll guarantee you find a post (not too far back) about a white man verbally abusing a black pregnant African woman with a child in my doctors surgery.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Yeah, someone 'crimed' my neighbours house a few years back. I would have said they 'burgled' it but now you've cleared up the fact that names to describe specific crimes don't exist now i'll be careful not to.

Just 'wow'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, someone 'crimed' my neighbours house a few years back. I would have said they 'burgled' it but now you've cleared up the fact that names to describe specific crimes don't exist now i'll be careful not to.

Just 'wow'.

That isn't what was said. Exaggeration or what!