[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well we know they ALL lie,it depends I suppose on the lies we choose to believe.

I'm.judging them on lies and endless failed policies.

Austerity needed for 5 years to clear the deficit by 2015.
Now she says 2025 before that's cleared.

Tens of thousands as to immigration,not deliverable and already failed this last 7 years.

No top down re organisation of the NHS,then one of the most extensive, costly and demoralising one done.

Junior doctors, Nurses,Police.and Fireman demoralised and up in arms at govt attitudes to them.

Now they remove the promise 'they' made only in 2015 that no tax rises will be done until 2020.
Now they open the door to tax rises.

Lies and broken promises that would have any other Party as a govt.well and truly booted out of power.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Conservatives 2010: 'We'll balance the budget by 2015'

Conservatives 2015: 'We'll balance the budget by 2020'

Conservatives 2017: 'We'll balance the budget by 2025'

And people think they're the party of economic competence...give me a ****ing break

Scrapping free school meals, a 'living' wage that isn't actually a living wage, more grammar schools, a free vote on fox hunting, more workers rights that are irrelevant when employment tribunal fees are unaffordable, etc etc. I can't believe people are going to vote for this ****, it's disgusting

Giving children a breakfast is actually more beneficial because more actual learning is done in the morning and hungry children don't concentrate. I saw on the news they are doing something re breakfasts. Being realistic there are few families who can't manage a sandwich for lunch.

Grammar schools allow poor children from council estates to have a better chance at education if they are bright. Anyone who says otherwise has never been a poor bright child.

Why would anyone complain about being given more rights at work?

Re the budget deficit you can thank Labour for the ongoing mess.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Giving children a breakfast is actually more beneficial because more actual learning is done in the morning and hungry children don't concentrate. I saw on the news they are doing something re breakfasts. Being realistic there are few families who can't manage a sandwich for lunch.

Re the budget deficit you can thank Labour for the ongoing mess.

Yes, and they are not scrapping free school meals, only scrapping the freebies for them that don't need them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I disagree. It's little incentive to work hard in life

I agree, it will be interesting to see what the cut off point will be before considered "wealthy"

If I hear May say this is for "ordinary people" one more time I think I will scream and scream and scream, stop being so bloody patronising with your Mayisms

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's got to the point where they enjoy it, though. Tory voters have started to get so hard for cruel austerity measures that even if it's directed at them, they stll absolutely love every minute of it. "Yes! Yes Mummy Tory! Take more! I am but a pitiful wretch and I deserve nothing but bread and drippings, take it all."

I love bread and dripping.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I love bread and dripping.

Yummy, pork dripping from the butchers, spread on bread.
All that jelly at the bottom as well.
Loved it.

[Mystic Mock]

The Conservatives again attacking another group of people, does this party honestly ever do anything positive? It's all negative attacks on individual groups all of the time, I honestly don't get how they get off on it, or more importantly why a large chunk of the public get off on it aswell by voting for this disgraceful party.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's got to the point where they enjoy it, though. Tory voters have started to get so hard for cruel austerity measures that even if it's directed at them, they stll absolutely love every minute of it. "Yes! Yes Mummy Tory! Take more! I am but a pitiful wretch and I deserve nothing but bread and drippings, take it all."

Originally Posted by Alf

I love bread and dripping.

I'm the dripping.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Conservatives again attacking another group of people, does this party honestly ever do anything positive? It's all negative attacks on individual groups all of the time, I honestly don't get how they get off on it, or more importantly why a large chunk of the public get off on it aswell by voting for this disgraceful party.

I think some of the public just look past the initial things that are put forward by parties, you need to see the reasons behind some things,not just jump to conclusions people are being targeted, such as the winter fuel payments,some pensioners don't need it and don't want it,these are the ones that are 'targeted' it wont be taken off the needy.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Fair enough.
I just don't personally feel happy about having a winter fuel pay out if we can manage without one, whereas many families who are struggling don't get it.

My dad has a little savings and I'm all for him having the winter fuel allowance, he's worked hard all his life, paid his taxes and national insurance so its right the government should give him back some of what they took over the years. His few savings makes him feel secure and if not for the winter fuel allowance he would have to dig into them.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Conservatives again attacking another group of people, does this party honestly ever do anything positive? It's all negative attacks on individual groups all of the time, I honestly don't get how they get off on it, or more importantly why a large chunk of the public get off on it aswell by voting for this disgraceful party.

Disgraceful party indeed,good description.

We hear the argument richer pensioners don't need it so now,after years of it being right they got it with a Conservative promise of them continuing.
It's fine now since the Cons have changed their minds.

Now it should only go to poorer pensioners.
Scratch deep below the service, this will mean complex means testing,more form filling as to rooting out any savings and checks on individuals.
The cost likely outweighing any savings,with many vulnerable slipping through whatever supposed safety net,this disgraceful govt has in place,if any at all.

Now this sudden concern for the poor,this govt.set up ESA with 2 groups,the support group and the work related activity group, for people deemed sick and disabled.

On a whim this govt despite admitting those in the wrag group were considered too ill or disabled to work for likely a minimum of 6 months.
Voted to slash £25+ a week from those in the wrag group.

Disgraceful,disgusting and shameful and very little outcry from Con supporters as to that.

You paint the right picture in your post of the Cons,I'm ashamed I ever counted myself a supporter of them in my late teens.

Never again, not this heartless,cruel and hardline set up the Cons have in place now with this 100% deceitful waste of space leader Mrs May.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

My dad has a little savings and I'm all for him having the winter fuel allowance, he's worked hard all his life, paid his taxes and national insurance so its right the government should give him back some of what they took over the years. His few savings makes him feel secure and if not for the winter fuel allowance he would have to dig into them.

Exactly my point, it's people who sacrificed all their lives so they could feel secure and have a more comfortable life that will take the hit. It's just encouraging people not to bother doing so cos they'll get more stuff that way

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think some of the public just look past the initial things that are put forward by parties, you need to see the reasons behind some things,not just jump to conclusions people are being targeted, such as the winter fuel payments,some pensioners don't need it and don't want it,these are the ones that are 'targeted' it wont be taken off the needy.

But as someone has already said on this thread, who determines the line of wealthy and who's "in need?" I would honestly like the Tories to do something positive again like when they brought forward gay marriage.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Disgraceful party indeed,good description.

We hear the argument richer pensioners don't need it so now,after years of it being right they got it with a Conservative promise of them continuing.
It's fine now since the Cons have changed their minds.

Now it should only go to poorer pensioners.
Scratch deep below the service, this will mean complex means testing,more form filling as to rooting out any savings and checks on individuals.
The cost likely outweighing any savings,with many vulnerable slipping through whatever supposed safety net,this disgraceful govt has in place,if any at all.

Now this sudden concern for the poor,this govt.set up ESA with 2 groups,the support group and the work related activity group, for people deemed sick and disabled.

On a whim this govt despite admitting those in the wrag group were considered too ill or disabled to work for likely a minimum of 6 months.
Voted to slash £25+ a week from those in the wrag group.

Disgraceful,disgusting and shameful and very little outcry from Con supporters as to that.

You paint the right picture in your post of the Cons,I'm ashamed I ever counted myself a supporter of them in my late teens.

Never again, not this heartless,cruel and hardline set up the Cons have in place now with this 100% deceitful waste of space leader Mrs May.

I think Joey that we all got spoilt in this country under Labour, and now we're acting out because we as a country are bored, but I do think that history will look back at this time as moronic for allowing such a spiteful party to rule like this for so long, just like Margaret Thatcher's time is looked on badly by most people.

[Cherie]

Scottish Torys have said Scottish pensioners won't be means tested, only English and Welsh ... I guess only the English and Welsh "wealthy" pensioners don't need it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Scottish Torys have said Scottish pensioners won't be means tested, only English and Welsh ... I guess only the English and Welsh "wealthy" pensioners don't need it

Apparently that's down to their climate :/

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well Livia at least they are telling us the truth

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well we know they ALL lie,it depends I suppose on the lies we choose to believe.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think Joey that we all got spoilt in this country under Labour, and now we're acting out because we as a country are bored, but I do think that history will look back at this time as moronic for allowing such a spiteful party to rule like this for so long, just like Margaret Thatcher's time is looked on badly by most people.

Thatcher was a saint compared to this lot. The problem is, those who did well under Thatcher, the ones who bought their council houses for a pittance and sold them years later for a kings ransom, will always be nostalgic about the Tory party.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well we know they ALL lie,it depends I suppose on the lies we choose to believe.

Exactly.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Thatcher was a saint compared to this lot. The problem is, those who did well under Thatcher, the ones who bought their council houses for a pittance and sold them years later for a kings ransom, will always be nostalgic about the Tory party.

Let's not get carried away DR...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think some of the public just look past the initial things that are put forward by parties, you need to see the reasons behind some things,not just jump to conclusions people are being targeted, such as the winter fuel payments,some pensioners don't need it and don't want it,these are the ones that are 'targeted' it wont be taken off the needy.

Good point..

Why shouldnt the better off pensioners be asked to pay a little bit more.

I bet a lot of them dont even bother with the free travel cards etc they get tjat they dont even need as they have plenty money stashed away.

And lets be honest, most of them will be tory voters anyway.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Good point..

Why shouldnt the better off pensioners be asked to pay a little bit more.

I bet a lot of them dont even bother with the free travel cards etc they get tjat they dont even need as they have plenty money stashed away.

And lets be honest, most of them will be tory voters anyway.

May hasn't decreed what exactly constitutes a "better off" pensioner though has she, at what level of income do you think they should lose this benefit as a matter of interest? And when she does reveal it AFTER she is elected we will see how close you were just for fun of course

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not get carried away DR...

Hehe! well she was born and incubated from the sperm of the devil but everything that came after her and rode on her neoliberalist ideals knowing that there was little left in the pot for the working class Brits.

My parents bought my grans council flat in West London for £6k and that flat is now worth over £half a million. That area used to be swarming with working class people but since its been sold off, the working class have been moved on and its now considered an upmarket area for professional people.

Its ludicrous that working class and most middle class people can't now afford to buy those properties back.

[DemolitionRed]

If you are a well off pensioner you are expected to pay for your own nursing home care, if you ever need it and lets face it, none of us know if we are going to get dementia and need years of nursing home care.

What is considered 'well off'? Is it owning their own home and therefore having releasable assets? Is it having a £100k savings? is it millionaires? what's the figure?

Private nursing homes are often over £1K a week, so that's £56K a year without any extras.

[Northern Monkey]

I think these including the dementia tax and lack of costings from the Tories really shows an arrogance.They're hitting a section of their core voters and they know they're still getting a landslide.